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Re: Lesson #8 - Born of a Woman—Atonement and the INCARNATION
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12/28/08 04:01 AM
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The temptations presented to Jesus seem to be about avoiding suffering on our account. Why should this have been difficult for Jesus? That is, why should being tempted not to suffer have been an alluring temptation for Christ?
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: Lesson #8 - Born of a Woman—Atonement and the INCARNATION
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there may be some validity in your point, but according to the bible and egw the first temptation of Christ had to do with appetite. satan tried to instigate Jesus to use His divine powers to alleviate, and avoid, His suffering, to fail on the issue of appetite.
"With Christ, as with the holy pair in Eden, appetite was the ground of the first great temptation. Just where the ruin began, the work of our redemption must begin. As by the indulgence of appetite Adam fell, so by the denial of appetite Christ must overcome. "And when He had fasted forty days and forty nights, He was afterward an hungred. And when the tempter came to Him, he said, If Thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread. But He answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God." {DA 117.3}
the temptations presented to Jesus seem to be about avoiding suffering on our account. Was Eve hungry for food or for being like God? Was Adam hungry for food or for dying with Eve? Was Jesus hungry for food or for proving He is the Messiah? Yes, appetite was the means Satan used to tempt Jesus, but it would not have been a sin to turn stone into bread to alleviate hunger. Jesus miraculously provided food for Himself and His followers on several occasions. Elsewhere you suggested there must be an attraction for something to be a temptation. No attraction means no temptation is the idea you seemed to be sharing. Just now you suggested Satan was able to tempt Jesus on the point of suffering. It what way was Jesus attracted to suffering or not suffering that Satan could tempt Him?
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Re: Lesson #8 - Born of a Woman—Atonement and the INCARNATION
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12/29/08 07:08 PM
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we seem to be thinking along two different veins. i dont understand your questions so i dont know how to answer them.......
what might be more accurate to say, is that it seems you need to defend your position, whatever that is, and so are not able to see the point i am making. that you think i am saying one thing when im saying something else.
Psa 64:5 ...an evil matter: they commune of laying snares privily; they say, Who shall see them?
Psa 7:14 Behold, he travaileth with iniquity, and hath conceived mischief, and brought forth falsehood. 15 He made a pit, and digged it, and is fallen into the ditch which he made. 16 His mischief (and his violent dealing) shall return upon his own head.
Psa 7:17 I will praise the LORD according to his righteousness: and will sing praise to the name of the LORD most high.
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Re: Lesson #8 - Born of a Woman—Atonement and the INCARNATION
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i dont think i can add anything to what i stated in posts:
#106507, #106513, #106619 and toms post: #106515 was along the lines of what i was thinking.
Psa 64:5 ...an evil matter: they commune of laying snares privily; they say, Who shall see them?
Psa 7:14 Behold, he travaileth with iniquity, and hath conceived mischief, and brought forth falsehood. 15 He made a pit, and digged it, and is fallen into the ditch which he made. 16 His mischief (and his violent dealing) shall return upon his own head.
Psa 7:17 I will praise the LORD according to his righteousness: and will sing praise to the name of the LORD most high.
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