and im asking what the "blessing" or "growth" is? what have you received that you would like to share with us?

Rosangela provided a link to Dr.Lee's lecture on page 1. If you are really interested, you can hear from the source itself.

i heard dr sangs talk some years ago. it was interesting, but ive had a hard time trying to figure out how it has given me any growth or blessing.

maybe you didnt understand my question. if you have received growth/blessing in this, could you share it, please?

but its not important that you do. we are all different and different issues strike us of importance. this seems to be very important to you for some reason and i apologize for our seeming lack of sensitivity.

Teresa,

I am a little surprised that such a phenomenon as this would not bless you. Why should we need to ask if it blesses someone else? Nature was actually God's FIRST book (not the "second," because the Bible came much later than nature). Asking someone if they are blessed by studying nature is tantamount to asking if they are blessed by reading the Bible.

With that thought in mind, I have noticed that God teaches nearly all of the most important truths through the natural world in some way. In nature, we have examples of gentleness, cooperation, love, sharing, discipline, diligence, wisdom, patience, joy, peace, faith, and more. We can also learn lessons from nature about the evils of some of our ways. One thing I have noticed is that there seems to be very little that we do or invent that was not already given us by example in nature. We develop airplanes, patterned after birds; flashlights, which nature showed us first; electricity, generated by electric eels before we knew what it was; gliders, exemplified by a lowly lizard or squirrel; etc.

To me, seeing animals keep the Sabbath would be but one more wonderful piece of evidence of how good God is, and how carefully He instructs us through His Creation.

As I said in an earlier post, there is nothing in the natural world to mark the Sabbaths. No star, sun, moon, or earth phenomena exist to distinguish the Sabbath apart from other days. We have only tradition to follow. How then, do you suppose, bees would know which day was Sabbath?

If indeed this has been occurring for a long time, I think it's worth sitting up and taking notice, don't you? Of course it does not PROVE anything (except the wisdom and love of our Creator), any more than seeing the patience of a spider proves that we should be patient. One does not prove things from nature that way. One simply LEARNS from it, and is blessed thereby.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

context, my brother, please!!

Elle: God preserve this unique phenomena for our growth, so we can pondered on it and be blessed in return.

Theresa : what "growth" might that be? it seems to me that a more convincing fact would be if all creatures, domestic or wild, "rested" on the sabbath and were miraculously cared for that one day, than bees that the vast majority of people will never know about. but it seems that God wants us to accept the sabbath because we love Him and has no intention of forcing anyone, in any form, to accept it for any other reason.

elle: There's something really important and if we explore what Dr. Lee is saying, it would be a blessing.

t: and im asking what the "blessing" or "growth" is? what have you received that you would like to share with us?

elle: Rosangela provided a link to Dr.Lee's lecture on page 1. If you are really interested, you can hear from the source itself.

t:i heard dr sangs talk some years ago. it was interesting, but ive had a hard time trying to figure out how it has given me any growth or blessing.

maybe you didnt understand my question.if you have received growth/blessing in this, could you share it, please?

but its not important that you do. we are all different and different issues strike us of importance. this seems to be very important to you for some reason and i apologize for our seeming lack of sensitivity.

the discussion under consideration is not, nor was, about nature in general.

it is about bees that are reported to keep the sabbath but no proof can be found. furthermore, they are in some jungle somewhere where the vast majority of people miss whatever blessing or growth might be had should they be observable.

why? why only some hidden-far-away bees? why on earth would God hide such a wondrous sight?

ive thought about sharing this with unbelievers and some, i believe, would accept it without question. but what would it do to those who went to look it up and found nothing to substantiate it? would it not cause only scorn to the cause of God?

Teresa,

When scientists claimed bumblebees were not supposed to be able to fly (according to the laws of physics), did that cause "scorn" to the cause of God?

Just because "science" has not proven something, does not mean it cannot be true. Atheists sure touted a victory a few years ago when scientists were finally able to understand why bumblebees can fly. But that doesn't mean that they actually had a victory, as if we "Creationists" had not known all along that God was wise enough to create natural laws, and creatures which abide by them.

There is plenty in the natural world which remains undocumented. Just because someone else has not documented something does not worry me. Scientists, these days, typically avoid, on purpose, documenting anything which would seem to go against their agenda. They are not true scientists, nor are they interested in the truth.

Of course it would be better to have documentation. But to hear a report from multiple individuals who are unrelated and unconnected to each other should suffice. Biblically speaking, two or three witnesses are sufficient to establish facts. Of course, there will always be the Thomases who will not believe until they have seen it with their own eyes.

(BTW, the internet is not the only form of "documentation," i.e. lack of internet documentation does not mean a lack of documentation.)

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

when did christians ever claim that bumblebees could fly and others couldnt see it just as plain?

i submit to you what ive already stated to elle:


since this appears to be rapidly becoming a test of ones faith i will withdraw from this part of the discussion.

I'm with Teresa on this one. I believe she and the rest of us deserve a reasonable answer. This is coming across too much like Ernie (or more so like his supporters) - I have a dream, it's from God, therefore I don't need to substantiate it, and if you don't believe it without question, you are an infidel.

Green Cochoa, I'm surprised at you for what appears to be taking what she said out of context and misdirecting the conversation in another direction. It is about bees, a specific bee, one that your link showed is not active all year, less active in cooler weather, not anything like a honeybee, produce much less "honey", and whose habits may be highly influenced by man, and along with some serious unanswered questions. I believe, to present an unfounded guilt trip on not accepting something "so wonderful", which has yet to be supported (whether being so wonderful, or even happening), is unbecoming.

There are those here who have misquoted and/or misunderstood me. It is probably that I have not communicated well, but at any rate, feeling able to do no better than I have already, I will leave you to your happy discussions, lest by responding I exacerbate the misunderstandings.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

I suppose Jesus rising from the dead is a miracle appealed to. Then again, this same miracle happens to be the foundational event of the Christian church alltogether.

I agree with your points regarding the bees..