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Re: The Wrath of God
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11/23/04 03:08 AM
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Re: The Wrath of God
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11/23/04 03:21 AM
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Re: The Wrath of God
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11/23/04 02:50 PM
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So how do you present the fact that when Jesus comes the wicked will be destroyed by His coming? Alot of people are not up to speed with the fact that we are caught in a war and it is The Great Controversy between Jesus and satan.
How do you share this with others to let them know of the Hope we have burining in our hearts?
God Bless,
Will
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Re: The Wrath of God
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11/23/04 05:01 PM
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Excellent question Will. I am afraid that much of Popular Christianity has has a focus on "Me and My Personal Salvation" as their center, as opposed to Jesus being the center. I understand this view of hell to be a point were instead of asking "How can I get God to let ME into heaven" we can point out, don't worry about that, lets look at the beauty of Jesus, the issues of the great controversy that conferm that he really is this beautiful.
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Re: The Wrath of God
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11/23/04 10:55 PM
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quote:
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}} God is the fire that burns eternally. {{
Yikes - thats a strange one - Jesus didnt look that way to anyone when here on earth even when He went up.
We say that God is a consuming fire, but that means that His character (glory) consumes sin. Its not a real fire as we know it. Course I never saw Him (in person, that is) so I dont know for sure.
Language is tricky. I wouldn't say that God is literally a consuming fire, but fire is a description of His character and His impact on sin. Isa. 33:14, 15 says:
"Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings? He that walketh righteously."
When Kevin H. was saying that the fire would burn forever, I believe what he was saying is that God is the fire that burns eternal, having in mind the description of Isa. 33:14, 15. (I'm hesitant to speak for another. Thankfully, he's here, so can correct me if I misspeak for him.)
The Spirit of Prophesy says that the glory of God will destroy the wicked. It is in this sense that God is a consuming fire.
Regarding Christ, it's true in general that Christ didn't look that way (like fire), but I will note a couple of exceptions. First of all, when He cleansed the temple, "divinity flashed through humanity" and the money changers ran away. The second time Christ cleansed the temple, they were determined it wouldn't happen again, but it did, and they couldn't run away fast enough. Evidently there was something about Him which made them very, very uncomfortable. And yet, immediately after this event, children were sitting on His lap.
When Christ shall come a second time, the wicked will call for the mountains to fall on them. They would rather have rocks fall on their head than to look into the eyes of He who loves them and redeemed them.
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Re: The Wrath of God
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11/23/04 11:18 PM
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Precisely Tom! Also, we do find Jesus appearing as a fire to Moses. Moses after seeing God's glory had it shine from his face so that he needed a veil. In Deuteronomy and I believe Leviticus there is one text saying that God will destroy like a consuming fire, and another where God says that He IS a consuming fire.
While God's pressence is like a consuming fire to the lost, it is an ark of safty for the saved. Please read my longer post again, as well as the passage from Lynn Wood's Mysteries Unveiled.
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Re: The Wrath of God
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11/24/04 05:54 AM
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Re: The Wrath of God
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11/25/04 08:11 PM
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Inspiration says very clearly that God kills. Some examples: "But for those who had done despite to the king, more than exclusion from his presence and his table is decreed. 'He sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city [Mt 22:7].'"
{COL 307.3}
"The same destructive power exercised by holy angels when God commands, will be exercised by evil angels when He permits."
{GC 614.2}
"In mercy to the world, God blotted out its wicked inhabitants in Noah's time. In mercy He destroyed the corrupt dwellers in Sodom. . . It is in mercy to the universe that God will finally destroy the rejecters of His grace."
{GC 543.3} Many more could be cited.
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Re: The Wrath of God
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11/25/04 08:37 PM
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Thank You John!
God Bless,
Will
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Re: The Wrath of God
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11/25/04 08:43 PM
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Yes indeed, John, of course.
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