and could you explain the reason of the op and the third post, as well as subsequent posts questioning if the "Lords day" is really sunday?

Please, this is none of our business and it is between the Lord and James. Who are we to judge?
James, I read what you shared here and I'm so happy that you had many opportunities to experience God's great love. God is so great and wonderfull to have spare your life after that brutal beating. Yes, I believe, He spared your life for a great purpose. I have total confidence that that love will keep you close to the Lord and His will. There's no necessity to explain your situation here. The Lord is with you and have promised to be with you always(dwell in us, teach us, guide us, etc...) and direct your every steps. And if really need so, He can lead you to someone with His spirit.

Warm Blessings and remain in His love,
Elle

Kland.

As I say, you are a very typical SDA's who judge people by their works against the law. This will lead to a cynical and sarcastic person.

You missed what I have said; I have prayed that the job might fall at other days and not at the Sabbath day, but it fell on Sabbath.

I have the responsibility and obligation to conclude the job, which onvolve may people from different institution and also expatriat from Europe who came all the way to supervise the job, which involve a cost of USD. 2.5 Million.

Do you think it is good for me, telling this people, sorry, this is my Sabbath day, the law could not allow me to work today, come back again on Sunday??

In this situation is God happy because I abandon my job and go to the church or I abandon my time to go to the church and do my job? For you, the answer is clear, because your view is solely based on perfect obedience to the law, even it would make many people angry, loosing time and money.

But the real son of God would not do that. His action is base4d on love without sacrificing other people. as long as he had tried all posible way to avoid working on Sabbath, but when it does happened the other way, with such responsibility as mine, then doing the job on Sabbath is what God would me do rather than abandon it and deny my responsibility and obligation. Serving people is serving God, when the job is succesfully done, people will agree that I'm with the Lord.

Do you think Jesus would do the same as mine? Please be careful with your answer, otherwise you become like a Pharisian.

In His love

But apparently does not know enough to remember that it is not his place to judge James or anyone else at all.

James has a choise, which he has made before and will make again. The choise of going to the cross. After that, this all is buisness entierly between James and his Lord, and none whatsoever between James and kland or James and Mike or James and Thomas. Why dont you guys just recognise that you are not James's Lord and leave any necessary conviction and responce in the only hands that are qualified to deal with them?

being judgmental, condemning and pharisaical is a universal syndrome equally applicable from the ultra-liberal to the ultra-conservative. pot calling the kettle black comes to mind.

james, if you didnt want peoples thoughts on the subject why bring it to a discussion board and ask questions?

and again, why start off with the op and subsequent posts that lead to making sunday look like the "Lords day"?

whats up with that, my brother?

it is your life, and you have to live it as you see fit, and no you dont deserve to be judged, but if you had come on here trying to justify killing someone..........

What is this? Your this doesn't seem to be what my this is. As is obvious from your response, you did not understand my this. You have addressed things which I explicitly stated I was not addressing, nor judging James on, yet failed to address what I did address. I thought Teresa, in post #115989, clearly explained what I was saying if I was not clear enough myself. I see you, James, nor västergötland have considered what she asked.

No.
You have failed to see that has nothing to do with what I am talking about. I do not know enough details to judge you on what you are talking about, although your comments regarding it seem to indicate you are uncomfortable with it. But, that's between you and the Lord.

Why have you responded to what I said I was not talking about, but did not respond to Teresa?

Judge James about what? What is it I am judging James on?

Elle and Thomas, it is my understanding that James want to discuss the validity of his choice to work on the Sabbath. Knowing the details is important. I can then share my opinion based on my understanding of the Word and Jesus' example. But I will never judge or condemn him. Never. Thank you, Jesus!

kland, regarding your question as to what you are judging James on, you wrote:



The part in italics looks like it could be judging James. For example:

1.You have dishonestly presented ... to justify your choices
2.You have been attempting to mislead others by justifying what you fully know is wrong.
3.Rather than twisting scriptures to justify your behavior ...

Now I don't know that I've read every post on this thread, so it's possible that I've missed something, but to James admit to these things? That is, is it James' opinion that he was dishonest? Or that he was trying to mislead others? Or that he was twisting scriptures? (If so, I think it would be good if you quoted him doing so).

If *he* has said he has done these things, I can see that what you wrote is not judgmental. However, if he takes issues with what you're writing here, that's another matter. I would, in this case, have couched what you wrote in more qualified language. For example:



Even this seems a bit direct to me. I think my approach in a case like this would be to ask questions.

E.g. James, is the reason you are asking these questions because you are trying to justify behavior you know to be wrong?

The reason I'm bringing these things up, kland, is because you've been asking for feedback.

Thank you. That is what I've been asking for. Others have judged me, but failed to address what I said. By no one addressing it, I would assume I was correct.

This is the quote I am referring to:
1. You are correct, I did conclude he dishonestly presented it. He was arguing kuriake hemera when that wasn't his intent at all. I got that from, "I preffer to serve the Lord, but I could not deny my responsibility and obligation to my job and people who needs me". It appears to me that he admitted he really had no question about kuriake hemera. It appears to me, he fully is convicted of what is the Sabbath day, but has justified it. So while he may not have said his original post was dishonest, he did admit his real reason. Is that correct?

2. "I preffer to serve the Lord,", does that not admit he knows which day the Sabbath is? Otherwise, why would he make such a statement? Unless someone can guide me differently, he as said nothing differently than he would prefer to serve the Lord, but has chosen to serve man instead. That takes care of the justification part. Misleading others...that's back with the kuriake hemera which has nothing to do with what Mountain Man may have perceived as his real question: "the validity of his choice to work on the Sabbath".

3. Actually, now that I look at these, the first part is my conclusion to his admission of the second part which I listed individually right above the conclusion paragraph. Was I unclear on that part of what I was saying? I judged (which I stated that I did) by making a conclusion concerning his admissions.

Too direct? I guess I felt he was reeling us in by going on about kuriake hemera all the while knowing what he was doing was wrong (at least he thought it was wrong according to his above quotes). If he wanted "to discuss the validity of his choice to work on the Sabbath", then ask. Don't try to deceive people and continue attempting to do so even when his error had been pointed out. I felt duped. I have been forever changed as the next person who asks something like he started out with, I will ask, why do you ask that, before ever getting sucked into kuriake hemera or some other non-relevant distraction. That would be better, huh?

But none of these three things has anything to do with what he and others are accusing me of judging him of, are they?

Kland, love is absent in your reply. When there's no love, then your reply has nothing.

God invites us to come and reason with him. That includes any question as tabou as "Are you really there God? " Just because you know this answer and don't need to ask that question, we shouldn't judge the one who sincerely ask.

To me James was honest and even said something quite personal to us as he opened up. How many people here would make themselves vulnerable and confess? Such a delicate matter that should only be said to God as He would reply with care and never pass any judgment. There's many ways to respond without passing accusation. To me, that's where you are wrong and have judge your brother.