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Re: The Law and Gods Character
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He was jealous of Jesus and wanted to be worship as a god. The law forbids creature worship, therefore, he needed to eliminate that part of the law. I doubt he wanted to eliminate the entire law. He simply wanted to improve it; in other words, he wanted to change it so it allowed him to be worshiped as a god.
That's my guess.
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Re: The Law and Gods Character
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God's love has been expressed in His justice no less than in His mercy. Justice is the foundation of His throne, and the fruit of His love.
It had been Satan's purpose to divorce mercy from truth and justice. He sought to prove that the righteousness of God's law is an enemy to peace.
But Christ shows that in God's plan they are indissolubly joined together; the one cannot exist without the other. "Mercy and truth are met together; righteousness and peace have kissed each other." Psalm 85:10. {DA 762.3}
Psa 64:5 ...an evil matter: they commune of laying snares privily; they say, Who shall see them?
Psa 7:14 Behold, he travaileth with iniquity, and hath conceived mischief, and brought forth falsehood. 15 He made a pit, and digged it, and is fallen into the ditch which he made. 16 His mischief (and his violent dealing) shall return upon his own head.
Psa 7:17 I will praise the LORD according to his righteousness: and will sing praise to the name of the LORD most high.
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Re: The Law and Gods Character
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It should be born in mind that Satan's real beef was not with the law, but with God. Satan used the law as a means to an end, but the Great Controversy is primarily regarding God's character. As the law is a transcript of God's character, of course there is a great deal of tie in, but we should be careful not to get the cart before the horse.
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: The Law and Gods Character
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Tom, if Satan's beef was aimed at God Himself, why do the quotes I posted earlier on this thread speak about him being jealous of Jesus and wanting to improve on the law and the order of the Universe?
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Re: The Law and Gods Character
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God's love has been expressed in His justice no less than in His mercy. Justice is the foundation of His throne, and the fruit of His love.
It had been Satan's purpose to divorce mercy from truth and justice. He sought to prove that the righteousness of God's law is an enemy to peace.
But Christ shows that in God's plan they are indissolubly joined together; the one cannot exist without the other. "Mercy and truth are met together; righteousness and peace have kissed each other." Psalm 85:10. {DA 762.3} , Satan had declared that the law of God could not be obeyed, that justice was inconsistent with mercy, and that, should the law be broken, it would be impossible for the sinner to be pardoned. Every sin must meet its punishment, urged Satan; and if God should remit the punishment of sin, He would not be a God of truth and justice. When men broke the law of God, and defied His will, Satan exulted. It was proved, he declared, that the law could not be obeyed; man could not be forgiven. Because he, after his rebellion, had been banished from heaven, Satan claimed that the human race must be forever shut out from God's favor. God could not be just, he urged, and yet show mercy to the sinner. {DA 761.4} not particularly dealing with the quotes above, satan seemed to think he was as smart as God and could come up with a law-no law-as good as Gods?
Psa 64:5 ...an evil matter: they commune of laying snares privily; they say, Who shall see them?
Psa 7:14 Behold, he travaileth with iniquity, and hath conceived mischief, and brought forth falsehood. 15 He made a pit, and digged it, and is fallen into the ditch which he made. 16 His mischief (and his violent dealing) shall return upon his own head.
Psa 7:17 I will praise the LORD according to his righteousness: and will sing praise to the name of the LORD most high.
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Re: The Law and Gods Character
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Tom, if Satan's beef was aimed at God Himself, why do the quotes I posted earlier on this thread speak about him being jealous of Jesus and wanting to improve on the law and the order of the Universe? There's no doubt Satan was jealous of Christ. That's why he his beef was aimed at God. Regarding the law, this was a way he saw he could try to deceive others, and win their homage.
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: The Law and Gods Character
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Re: The Law and Gods Character
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Divine love had conceived such a plan. It was through Satan's misrepresentation of God's character that man was led to doubt the reality of His love, and came to look upon God as his enemy. As Satan had done in heaven, so he did on earth,--declared God's government unjust, the restrictions of His law unnecessary, and bade men, as he had angels, to throw aside the yoke and let the dictates of their own nature be their only guide and law. He promised liberty; but as he himself is the servant of corruption, he brought the race into bondage to sin, misery, and death. He represented God as claiming all, and giving nothing, as requiring men's service for His own glory, but denying Himself nothing for man's good. {ST, December 15, 1914 par. 8} Exo 20:1 And God spake all these words, saying,
Exo 20:2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
Exo 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Exo 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
Exo 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
Exo 20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
Exo 20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
Exo 20:12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
Exo 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.
Exo 20:14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
Exo 20:15 Thou shalt not steal.
Exo 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
Exo 20:17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's. so satan was saying that, first angels and then men, could determine if killing was necessary, for example, (which would include the thoughts and feelings that precede the actual physical act)? so instead of taking Gods word that no one was ever to kill, which again would include the thoughts and feelings that lead up to the acts themselves, angels first, then men, would be the judges of whether it was necessary? or was satan saying that without the "law" first angels, then men would automatically do right and needed no guidelines? 1. Was Satan saying men and angels alike could determine if killing, for example, was necessary (which would include the thoughts and feelings that precede the actual physical act)? Yes. See quote below. 2. Was Satan saying instead of taking God's word that no one was ever to kill, which again would include the thoughts and feelings that lead up to the acts themselves, that men and angels alike would be the judges of whether it was necessary? Yes. See quote below. 3. Was Satan saying that without the "law" men and angels alike would automatically do right and needed no guidelines? Yes. See quote below. "As Satan had done in heaven, so he did on earth,--declared God's government unjust, the restrictions of His law unnecessary, and bade men, as he had angels, to throw aside the yoke and let the dictates of their own nature be their only guide and law." (Quoted above) PS - If God meant, "No one was ever to kill" (your words), why, then, did He command Moses and the COI to stone sinners to death? And, what does it tell us about God's law and character?
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Re: The Law and Gods Character
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Just a snippet about the P.S. regarding what it says about God's character. Jesus told a parable regarding Lazarus and the Rich Man which involved the soul continuing to be conscious after death. Jesus told this parable because his hearers believed this erroneous idea, and He wanted to teach them another truth.
What do you think it says about God's character that He would teach a parable based on a faulty concept such as this? (i.e., that involved consciousness after death)
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: The Law and Gods Character
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so satan was saying that, first angels and then men, could determine if killing was necessary, for example, (which would include the thoughts and feelings that precede the actual physical act)?
so instead of taking Gods word that no one was ever to kill, which again would include the thoughts and feelings that lead up to the acts themselves, angels first, then men, would be the judges of whether it was necessary?
or was satan saying that without the "law" first angels, then men would automatically do right and needed no guidelines?
PS - If God meant, "No one was ever to kill" (your words), why, then, did He command Moses and the COI to stone sinners to death? And, what does it tell us about God's law and character? im not seeing the tie-in with satans accusations against the law and God. could you help out a dense person here? 
Psa 64:5 ...an evil matter: they commune of laying snares privily; they say, Who shall see them?
Psa 7:14 Behold, he travaileth with iniquity, and hath conceived mischief, and brought forth falsehood. 15 He made a pit, and digged it, and is fallen into the ditch which he made. 16 His mischief (and his violent dealing) shall return upon his own head.
Psa 7:17 I will praise the LORD according to his righteousness: and will sing praise to the name of the LORD most high.
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