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Re: The Law and Gods Character
[Re: Tom]
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I say no, God couldn't do that. Not simply because His character wouldn't allow Him to, but because it can't be done. IOW, God's commandments fully define the boundaries within which happiness can exist. Outside of those boundaries there can be no true happiness. I agree. That's why God gave us those commandments - to let us know what it takes to experience happiness. And those who have faith in God cannot believe that happiness can be found otherwise.
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1 John 5:11-13
And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.
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Re: The Law and Gods Character
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Amen, Arnold!!! God is good. Thank you, Jesus!
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Re: The Law and Gods Character
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Divine love had conceived such a plan. It was through Satan's misrepresentation of God's character that man was led to doubt the reality of His love, and came to look upon God as his enemy. As Satan had done in heaven, so he did on earth,--declared God's government unjust, the restrictions of His law unnecessary, and bade men, as he had angels, to throw aside the yoke and let the dictates of their own nature be their only guide and law. He promised liberty; but as he himself is the servant of corruption, he brought the race into bondage to sin, misery, and death. He represented God as claiming all, and giving nothing, as requiring men's service for His own glory, but denying Himself nothing for man's good. {ST, December 15, 1914 par. 8} Exo 20:1 And God spake all these words, saying,
Exo 20:2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
Exo 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Exo 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
Exo 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
Exo 20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
Exo 20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
Exo 20:12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
Exo 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.
Exo 20:14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
Exo 20:15 Thou shalt not steal.
Exo 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
Exo 20:17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's. so satan was saying that, first angels and then men, could determine if killing was necessary, for example, (which would include the thoughts and feelings that precede the actual physical act)? so instead of taking Gods word that no one was ever to kill, which again would include the thoughts and feelings that lead up to the acts themselves, angels first, then men, would be the judges of whether it was necessary? or was satan saying that without the "law" first angels, then men would automatically do right and needed no guidelines? Teresaq, did this discussion go the way you had hoped? Or, did it get derailed somewhere along the way?
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Re: The Law and Gods Character
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no, my brother, thanks for asking.  it is not going the way i was thinking but it is not off-topic. i had different thoughts that arent coming to mind at the moment since there are so many discussions going on here and elsewhere. but everyone thinks in different channels, so carry on.
Psa 64:5 ...an evil matter: they commune of laying snares privily; they say, Who shall see them?
Psa 7:14 Behold, he travaileth with iniquity, and hath conceived mischief, and brought forth falsehood. 15 He made a pit, and digged it, and is fallen into the ditch which he made. 16 His mischief (and his violent dealing) shall return upon his own head.
Psa 7:17 I will praise the LORD according to his righteousness: and will sing praise to the name of the LORD most high.
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Re: The Law and Gods Character
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He had claimed that the transgression of God's law would bring liberty and exaltation; but it was seen to result in bondage and degradation. {GC 502.1}
While claiming for himself perfect loyalty to God, he urged that changes in the order and laws of heaven were necessary for the stability of the divine government. {PP 38.2}
He claimed that it was his own object to improve upon the statutes of Jehovah. {PP 42.2}
There was contention among the angels. Lucifer and his sympathizers were striving to reform the government of God. They were discontented and unhappy because they could not look into His unsearchable wisdom and ascertain His purposes in exalting His Son, and endowing Him with such unlimited power and command. They rebelled against the authority of the Son. {SR 15.1}
He claimed to be seeking to promote the honor of God, the stability of His government, and the good of all the inhabitants of heaven. While instilling discontent into the minds of the angels under him, he had artfully made it appear that he was seeking to remove dissatisfaction. When he urged that changes be made in the order and laws of God's government, it was under the pretense that these were necessary in order to preserve harmony in heaven. {GC 497.2}
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Re: The Law and Gods Character
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MM, I think it would be more helpful if you either make some comment, when you're quoting a bunch of texts, or you could color them, like Teresa does, so it's clear what your point is. Otherwise it's difficult, if not impossible, to know why your quoting the things you're quoting.
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: The Law and Gods Character
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You're right, Tom. Yeah, they are speaking to teresaq's questions: so satan was saying that, first angels and then men, could determine if killing was necessary, for example, (which would include the thoughts and feelings that precede the actual physical act)?
so instead of taking Gods word that no one was ever to kill, which again would include the thoughts and feelings that lead up to the acts themselves, angels first, then men, would be the judges of whether it was necessary?
or was satan saying that without the "law" first angels, then men would automatically do right and needed no guidelines?
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Re: The Law and Gods Character
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So how to the quotes answer Teresa's questions?
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: The Law and Gods Character
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Tom, she asked: so satan was saying that, first angels and then men, could determine if killing was necessary, for example, (which would include the thoughts and feelings that precede the actual physical act)?
so instead of taking Gods word that no one was ever to kill, which again would include the thoughts and feelings that lead up to the acts themselves, angels first, then men, would be the judges of whether it was necessary?
or was satan saying that without the "law" first angels, then men would automatically do right and needed no guidelines? The quotes above shed light on the questions. The quotes speak for themselves. They need no explanation.
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Re: The Law and Gods Character
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the quotes are rather vague...what exactly did satan have in mind, how did he want to improve on the law?
Psa 64:5 ...an evil matter: they commune of laying snares privily; they say, Who shall see them?
Psa 7:14 Behold, he travaileth with iniquity, and hath conceived mischief, and brought forth falsehood. 15 He made a pit, and digged it, and is fallen into the ditch which he made. 16 His mischief (and his violent dealing) shall return upon his own head.
Psa 7:17 I will praise the LORD according to his righteousness: and will sing praise to the name of the LORD most high.
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