I'm not sure what you're asking, but I'll mention some principles that should address the question.

God is not willing that any should perish but that all should come to a knowledge of the truth. Jesus Christ is the light (the truth) that lightens every one who comes into the world. All are drawn to God, by His love shining from the cross. Only those who resist this drawing are lost.

So God presents light, for the purpose of salvation, for all. Some resist this light, which results in a hardening of the heart, and eventually the heart becomes so hardened, the person can no longer respond to the offer of salvation, nor has any desire to.

In the last chapter of "The Great Controversy" we read:



These same principles apply to the wicked.

Did Isaiah see the glory of the form of the person of God? If so, why didn’t it cause him to cease to exist? Also, do you think the glory of the form of the person of God refers to His righteous traits of character rather than to the form of His person?


Do you think her brain, blood, and breath functions would have ceased? If so, why and how would it have caused them to cease? Or, do you think “fire” would have consumed her like Nadab and Abihu? If so, why and how would it have caused her to die?


Do you think acknowledging the justice of God is sentencing them to death is what will cause evil men and angels to suffer and die? Is this the “truth” you have in mind when you say “truth” is what will cause sinners to suffer in judgment and die? What effect will revisiting their sins in judgment have on them?


The question is - Why doesn’t the truth cause backsliders to suffer and die now? Do you think not knowing the truth about God is what causes evil men and angels to suffer now? Is the truth about God necessary for salvation? If so, how can God sentence them to death in judgment if they never knew it?


If God isn’t arbitrarily preventing the truth from causing evil men and angels from dying now, how is He keeping them alive?


What is your “opinion”? Do you think the fire God rains down upon them symbolizes revisiting their sins in judgment? If not, what?


Consuming = suffering? What is being consumed?


Why does it cause them to suffer? And, what else is “involved”?


Why do you think your interpretation is absent in the description I quoted above?

You say divinity flashing through humanity did not cause people to suffer and die because they were able to flee His presence. Why not? You say it will cause them to suffer and die in judgment, right? If so, why didn’t it have the same effect back then?


Why did “running away” from Jesus prevent sinners from suffering and dying? If it were possible to hide from God in judgment, would evil men and angels avoid suffering and death? Also, do you think judgment involves anything physical?


Some live longer than others. They do not die at the same time. I hear you saying more sin means more life. Less sin means less life. Why do you think having more sin means sinners will live longer before they die?


Is the breath of life absent?


Name the primary ones. That is, what He does to keep them alive 1) during judgment, and 2) after judgment.


Is there a principle that enables sinners to sin without dying? If so, why and how does it work?


How can people separated from the source of life live?


How does realizing the truth cause them to die? Does it cause brain, blood, and breath function to cease? Why doesn’t it cause them to die right away?


It would take to long to find it. Do you think realizing the truth now causes sinners to suffer and die for the same reasons they will in judgment? If so, why would it be necessary for it to happen again?


How, then, do you define death as it relates to the wicked? I’m not talking about suffering. I’m talking about death.


Do you think sin will cause their brain, blood, and breath to cease? Or, do you think truth will?


You didn’t answer the question. You talked about suffering – not death.


Do you think the fact evil angels are alive is natural and normal, that God does nothing to prevent them from reaping the results of sinning?


Because you say truth will cause them to die. But if they already know the truth why hasn’t it caused them to die?


Ellen says they knew God perfectly. Why doesn’t it cause them to die now?


The 10 original questions dealt with main points.

Because it's true. Do you agree?


Please consider the following insight:

The plea may be made that a loving Father would not see His children suffering the punishment of God by fire while He had the power to relieve them. But God would, for the good of His subjects and for their safety, punish the transgressor. God does not work on the plan of man. He can do infinite justice that man has no right to do before his fellow man. Noah would have displeased God to have drowned one of the scoffers and mockers that harassed him, but God drowned the vast world. Lot would have had no right to inflict punishment on his sons-in-law, but God would do it in strict justice. {LDE 241.2}

Who will say God will not do what He says He will do?--12MR 207-209; 10MR 265 (1876). {LDE 241.3}

God's glory is His character. He saw that.



God limited the revelation so it wouldn't kill him.



I believe it refers to God's traits of character, yes.



If she expired you mean? Yes, that's what "to expire" means.



What the angel said.



No.



NA.



I think their sin results in their death. Wherever there is sin it is inevitable that there will be suffering and death. This is because sin is based on the principle of selfishness, which can only result in these things.



No. It's a truth, however.



It will be unpleasant.



It does cause them to suffer now. Many also die because of troubled consciences or the results that such leads to, such as drink or other vices. Some choose not to think about such things, and stifle the Holy Spirit, and suffer sickness and disease, and die because of that. The mind and the body are interconnected, so stifling the Holy Spirit can have all sorts of adverse effects.



It's something which can cause them to suffer. There are many reasons evil people suffer. I haven't commented on angels, and think it would be better to treat them separately.



Yes. Eternal life consists of knowing God.



He couldn't. No one will be judged who did not reject salvation.



Why do you think God is acting arbitrarily?



My opinion is that you should quote something I've said, and ask me about that.



In DA 764, it says that the glory of Him who is love will destroy them. In DA 108, it says that the light of the glory of God, which gives life to the righteous, will slay the wicked. This is identified by logic and context as being the revelation of God's character. I think the fire coming down from heaven, in the context of DA 764 and DA 108, represents God's character of love.

I think there will also be literal fire coming from the beneath the earth's crust. A number of parallels exist between the flood and the destruction by fire, so it seems likely that as the waters burst forth from the great depths, so will the fires below.

So, depending upon the context, the first could be either literal or symbolic.



No.



The wicked and sin are consumed. How this takes place is described in DA 107-108.



I quoted from the last chapter of "The Great Controversy." The description she gave of what Satan will go through applies to the wicked as well (not every specific detail, of course, but the principles she lays out). These things result in "weeping and gnashing of teeth."



The things described in the last chapter of "The Great Controversy" which I quoted.



It's not my interpretation. I didn't write DA 764, nor the other passages I mentioned. As to why Ellen White didn't write all things things in the same place, she probably felt they fit better in the places where she wrote them.

Does this kind of knowledge cause sinners to die? If not, why not? Does God work to prevent it?


Do you think knowledge of tooth aches is superficial?


How will knowledge of tooth aches cause more suffering in judgment?


How can suffering be rejected?


How can suffering not be accepted?


In the mind and heart of resurrected sinners what is the difference between spiritual truth and information? Also, how will God make them aware of spiritual truth in judgment?


Why, then, didn’t it cause them to die when they rejected it?


I don’t. Do you? I think the radiant firelight of God will cause them to suffer and die. I don’t think they are capable of comprehending truth in a way that will cause them to die. They’re too sin-hardened.


If sin is sufficient to cause sinners to die, why, then, does God force them to comprehend the truth? And, why doesn’t sin or comprehension of truth cause them to die now?


What then?


Why not?


What kind of fire do you think burned them alive?


What is preventing it from burning sinners alive now?


Why did it only burn selected sinners alive?


Would you recommend studying the Flood and Sodom?

It did cause them suffering, which is why they ran away.



I've said that sin results in suffering and death. I've said this consists of different things, which includes what you're asking about. I've not said that this specific thing only causes their suffering and death, but that sin does.



It did have the effect of causing suffering. They ran away from Christ's presence. Also the divinity flashing through humanity may not have continued for a long enough time, or have been an intense enough revelation of God's character to cause their death. God wasn't intending that they should die.



For the reasons brought out by DA 108.



They could for that cause, but sin causes suffering and death in many ways, not just one. It's impossible for those who choose the law of sin, which is selfishness, to avoid suffering and death. Wherever sin is found, it is inevitable that there will be suffering and death.



Yes, as I've said many times.



In the same general time period.



If a person were to die before they had been judged, that would defeat the purpose of the judgment.



Sin means more suffering.



Less sin means less suffering.



I think more sin means more suffering. If there is more sin to reveal, that takes longer to get through.



Absent from what?



The "Ministry of Healing" discusses some of the things God does to enable people to live. In addition, DA 764 tells us that if God had permitted Satan and his followers to reap the full result of their sin, they would perish, so God does not allow that to happen prematurely.



No, not a principle.



NA.



From DA 764:





I wrote they die in conjunction with realizing the truth. I said that GC 541-543 brings this out.



Read GC 541-543.



This has been asked and answered.



I already answered this.



The judgment didn't happen previously. If by "the same reasons" you mean "similar reasons," I'm sure the suffering involved in the judgment will be for the same reasons people suffer for here. There's only so many ways a person can suffer. However, if you mean by "the same reasons," exactly the same circumstances, then there's a different, since the judgment is different than anything that happened previously.



If you're talking about the second death, I'd say consider what Christ went through on Calvary. Of course, Christ overcame by faith, and the wicked won't do that, but Christ felt the anguish they will feel. Of course a part of the second death is that they will stop thinking and lose consciousness forever.



The inevitable result of sin is death. Not truth.



I talked about the second death.



I think, as DA 764 says, God does not leave them to reap the full result of their sin prematurely because if He did, again as DA 764 says, they would perish, because, again as per DA 764, the inevitable result of sin is death.



I recall saying quite a number of times that sin causes them to die. Indeed, you asked me if it was sin or truth that cause them to die, and I said sin. You've asked me this question quite a few times now, and each time I've answered that sin causes them to die. I think I've affirmed this several dozen times, if not several hundred times. So why are you affirming that I've said that truth will cause them to die? Could you quote something I've said please?



Why do you think they already know the truth?



Let's consider the angels separately.



We're up to 48 questions now. Many of them are repetitive. I think these could be better organized. For example, instead of asking 48 separate questions, you could group things into the principles involved, and ask questions about that.

Also, I've referred a number of times to a detailed post I wrote, and have also suggested studying this topic in relation to the cross. Doing either of these things, or both, might be helpful in terms of organizing principles to discuss or ask questions regarding.

Where in the 7 point detailed chronology below do you think “fire” symbolizes the love of God?


“In the cleansing flames the wicked are at last destroyed.” Are they destroyed during judgment or after they die? “Some are destroyed as in a moment, while others suffer many days.”

“While the earth is wrapped in the fire of God's vengeance, the righteous abide safely in the Holy City.” How does abiding in the Holy City protect the righteous from the fire of God’s vengeance? You seem to think the wicked will not be harmed by the fire engulfing the earth, why would it be unsafe for the righteous?

“The earth's surface seems one molten mass--a vast, seething lake of fire. It is the time of the judgment and perdition of ungodly men—‘the day of the Lord's vengeance, and the year of recompenses for the controversy of Zion.’ Isaiah 34:8. The wicked receive their recompense in the earth.” She says the earth is engulfed in flames and that in this state they are recompensed (rewarded) for their sins. Do you think the earth will be engulfed in flames while the wicked are revisiting their sins in judgment?


His suffering in judgment does not result in death. Far from it! Instead, it results in him wanting to take New Jerusalem by force. The wicked respond in a very different way. They attempt to kill Satan. But fire from God intervenes. Do you think this fire intervenes before, during, or after judgment?

The following is a detailed chronology of events extracted from the GC. Do you think 1-3 and 7 are simultaneous? Do you think 4-6 happen after 7? If not, please explain what you do think.

1. “As soon as the books of record are opened, and the eye of Jesus looks upon the wicked, they are conscious of every sin which they have ever committed.”
2. “. . . all behold the enormity of their guilt.”
3. “They vainly seek to hide from the divine majesty of His countenance, outshining the glory of the sun . . .”
4. “The wicked are filled with the same hatred of God that inspires Satan; but they see that their case is hopeless, that they cannot prevail against Jehovah.”
5. “Their rage is kindled against Satan and those who have been his agents in deception, and with the fury of demons they turn upon them.”
6. “Fire comes down from God out of heaven. The earth is broken up. The weapons concealed in its depths are drawn forth. Devouring flames burst from every yawning chasm. The very rocks are on fire.”
7. “Some are destroyed as in a moment, while others suffer many days. All are punished "according to their deeds." . . . In the cleansing flames the wicked are at last destroyed”.

PS - Please feel free to explain where you think details from other places fit in this timeline.

Sin causes death.



This question doesn't appear to make sense.



Nor this one.



Nor this one.



Nor this one.



Nor this one!



Ditto.



Information is in the realm of the intellect, whereas spiritual truth involves the whole of man, which entails more than merely the intellect.



Yes.



It does result in the second death, but not until the resurrection, when the judgment occurs. The wicked do not die (the second death) until the judgment.



No. It's not necessary to comprehend truth in order to suffer in the judgment. Comprehending truth in the judgment does cause suffering however.



IMO this is a very superficial view of things.



Ok, I understand your idea.



Why do you think this is something God does?



Sin does result in death now, the first death. The second death doesn't happen until the judgment.



I don't see any point in discussing Nadam and Abihu.



Force and violence are not principles of God's government. Interpretations which have these ideas are incorrect, IMO.



What's this talking about? Do you mean what was the accelerant used?



God doesn't allow sinners to reap the full result of their sin, as per DA 764.



What are you talking about?



I'd recommend studying first the things I mentioned. I think it's very unlikely one would understand the Flood and Sodom without understanding the judgment. It seems that way to me. And understanding the judgment apart from the cross seems difficult to me as well (in addition to EGW's comment that all truths, to be understood, need to be studied in the light of Calvary).

It's not necessarily chronological. She could be doubling back. She does that. Scripture too.



The light of the glory of God, which gives life to the righteous, will slay the wicked. Isa. 33 brings this out as well. It's not being in a physical place that saves the righteous from God's vengeance (which is His goodness; remember that evil is overcome by good), but being in a spiritual place that saves them. They are safe because they are in Christ.



I think the wicked will be burned up by the fire which engulfs the earth. I don't understand the unsafe for the righteous question.



No.