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Re: The Suffering of the Lost
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12/15/09 05:46 PM
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"One sin" could either be cherished or not.
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: The Suffering of the Lost
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12/16/09 03:25 PM
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Is one sin sufficient to cause sinners to die in judgment?
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Re: The Suffering of the Lost
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12/17/09 07:47 PM
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Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: The Suffering of the Lost
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12/18/09 03:54 PM
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Assuming you believe one sin is sufficient to cause sinners to die in judgment, the question is - Why won't they die right away? Why will the most sinful live longer before they die? Who or what will prevent them from dying prematurely?
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Re: The Suffering of the Lost
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12/18/09 09:48 PM
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You've already asked these questions, and I've answered them.
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: The Suffering of the Lost
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Assuming you believe it is God who will supernaturally prevent them from dying prematurely, question is - Why? Is it so that they can suffer according to their sinfulness?
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Re: The Suffering of the Lost
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12/20/09 09:13 AM
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I assume you're speaking about during the judgment. The judgment is primarily about God. Every knee will bow to Jesus Christ. Not out of force, but out of conviction. Each one will be convinced that God has been just an righteous in all his ways. Clearly this couldn't happen if they were dead before they could make this judgment.
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: The Suffering of the Lost
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Is it necessary for the wicked to acknowledge the justice of God? Or, is it necessary for God to punish and destroy them according to their sinfulness? Or, are both necessary?
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Re: The Suffering of the Lost
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12/21/09 09:30 PM
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Yes, it's necessary for all sentient beings to acknowledge the justice of God. Every knee will bow.
No, it's not necessary for God to punish or destroy them, at least not as a separate, arbitrary process. This happens naturally as a result of their actions in the judgment.
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: The Suffering of the Lost
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Only time for a quickie...Yes, it's necessary for all sentient beings to acknowledge the justice of God. Every knee will bow. If so, then there is no reason for a sinner to live after his knee has bowed. Therefore, the moment their knee bows is the moment they die. Agreed? From another angle, how about those who will be "as if they had never been"? How come their knees don't bow?
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1 John 5:11-13
And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.
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