Before you wrote:



So if Moses had died in the throes of sinning, God would have imputed repentance, which is what I said. So, unless you're changing your mind, what I said was accurate.

At any rate, I reread some of the posts, and I think I'm understanding your thought. Your thought is that it was in Moses' heart to repent if he sinned, and as soon as he sinned, he started to repent. So Moses wouldn't have been lost had he dies as he was sinning, because had he not died at that moment he would have repented. So Moses was saved because of the condition of his heart, not because of what he was or wasn't actually doing the moment he hypothetically would have died. You would agree with this?

I don't take it, if we say "I believe". Let's see what the bible or SOP said, did Moses instantly repent the moment he sinned? Was he aware of his sin and repent the moment he sinned? Proof it!

In His love

I think it has more to do with God imputing the repentance Moses would have experienced.


Same answer.

I'm basing what I believe on the following insights:

Why do you think this makes sense? I can understand the concept that God would consider the condition of a person's heart, and make a decision regarding that, but to make eternal decisions based on what a person might have done in the future certainly isn't just.

You wrote, "So Moses was saved because of the condition of his heart . . ." had he died before being able to repent. This doesn't sound right to me. It's missing something. I think it's missing the importance of the relationship between repentance, pardon, and salvation.

No it's not. I understood you to say something like that Moses had it in his heart to repent, even as he was sinning. Given this was the case, his heart was such that he never wished to be separated from Christ. His fall was an aberration. As EGW put it elsewhere, it's not the occasional good deed or bad deed that sets the character, but the trend of the life. Everything about Moses demonstrated the condition of his heart, that he was a man of God, and right with God.

This makes more sense to me than the idea that God would look into the future and see what Moses might have done, and make a decision based on that (which is what I understood to be what you were saying).

Salvation is based on what Jesus does for us and through us. Repentance and pardon and righteousness are necessary. God cannot save us without them. If we should die before we are able to repent, whether sins of ignorance or known sins, repentance and pardon and righteousness are necessary for God to save us. God cannot simply ignore them and save us anyhow. He must, therefore, impute repentance and righteousness. He can do so if it is our habit to repent if we sin.

He can do so if it is our habit to repent if we sin because if it's in our habit to do so, that demonstrates our heart, or character.

There's no arbitrary requirement saying God has to have repentance. The issue has not to do with any needs on God's part, but on the simple reality of whether the person, if taken to heaven, would be happen.



This sets forth the reality. Those who reject God would find no joy in heaven. It would be hell for them (showing that hell is not a matter of physical fire, but of character). Why? Because of their heart, or character.

And whether heaven would remain a happy, harmonious place if the person entered. Sin brings disharmony and all the messy/painful conditions we see on earth. No one with a rebellious spirit will enter.

All the believer's plans and purposes need to come into harmony with heaven. When a sinner once beholds the love of God, as seen in the sacrifice of His Son, and yields to the divine influence, a change of heart takes place, and Christ becomes all and in all.

One rebellious, disobedient person, would spoil all the harmony of heaven.