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Re: The National Sunday law is near! [Re: crater] #123222
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Crater, do think things will switch to biblical reasons for wanting to legislate and enforce Sunday Laws, that is, do you think things will evolve until they begin to fulfill the prophecies that describe the legislation and enforcement of Sunday Laws?

Re: The National Sunday law is near! [Re: Mountain Man] #123265
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Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
Crater, do think things will switch to biblical reasons for wanting to legislate and enforce Sunday Laws, that is, do you think things will evolve until they begin to fulfill the prophecies that describe the legislation and enforcement of Sunday Laws?

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I am seeing that environmental issues are a common ground, a politically correct issue and having a day of "rest" to help "save the earth" would be seen as a good thing by todays mindset! There is lots of pressure to be politically correct, especially when it comes to environmental issues!


I see a mindset developing! Even the agnostic / atheist would accept a day of rest enforcement, for "saving the earth"!

"Our people have been regarded as too insignificant to be worthy of notice; but a change will come. The Christian world is now making movements which will necessarily bring commandment-keeping people into prominence. There is a constant supplanting of God's truth by the theories and false doctrines of human origin. Movements are being set on foot to enslave the consciences of those who would be loyal to God. The law-making powers will be against God's people. Every soul will be tested.--Testimonies, vol. 5, p. 546.

"The time is not far distant when the test will come to every soul. The observance of the false sabbath will be urged upon us. The contest will be between the commandments of God and the commandments of men. Those who have yielded step by step to worldly demands, and conformed to worldly customs, will then yield to the powers that be, rather than subject themselves to derision, insult, threatened imprisonment, and death. At that time the gold will be separated from the dross. . . . Many a star that we have admired for its brilliance will then go out in darkness. Those who have assumed the ornaments of the sanctuary, but are not clothed with Christ's righteousness, will then appear in the shame of their own nakedness."--Prophets and Kings, p. 188

"Through the two great errors, the immortality of the soul and Sunday sacredness, Satan will bring the people under his deceptions. While the former lays the foundation of Spiritualism, the latter creates a bond of sympathy with Rome. The Protestants of the United States will be foremost in stretching their hands across the gulf to grasp the hand of Spiritualism; they will reach over the abyss to clasp hands with the Roman power; and under the influence of this threefold union, this country will follow in the steps of Rome in trampling on the rights of conscience."--The Great Controversy, p. 588

"When our nation shall so abjure the principles of its government as to enact a Sunday law, Protestantism will in this act join hands with popery; it will be nothing else than giving life to the tyranny which has long been eagerly watching its opportunity to spring again into active despotism." --Testimonies, vol. 5, p. 712

" There is a prospect before us of a continued struggle, at the risk of imprisonment, loss of property, and even of life itself, to defend the law of God, which is made void by the laws of men. In this situation worldly policy will urge an outward compliance with the laws of the land, for the sake of peace and harmony. And there are some who will even urge such a course from the Scripture: "Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. . . . The powers that be are ordained of God." {5T 712.3}

I do suspect that the mindset is being prepared for our nation to abjure (to renounce upon oath/ to reject solemnly) the principles of its government as to enact a Sunday law. This law could be instigated / pushed in for the benefit of the environmental cause! Protestantism would go for it and back it, their cause would be served as well! The agnostic / atheist, pagan . . . could accept a day of rest enforcement, for "saving the earth"!

I don't know what you mean by "switch to biblical reasons"? "Prophecies that describe the legislation and enforcement of Sunday Laws"? Which scriptures / prophecies are you referring to?

Re: The National Sunday law is near! [Re: crater] #123270
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Originally Posted By: crater
I see a mindset developing! Even the agnostic / atheist would accept a day of rest enforcement, for "saving the earth"!


I think you're right about that. I see it too. That's where all this climate change nonsense is leading.

Re: The National Sunday law is near! [Re: RLH] #123342
02/13/10 08:22 PM
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So where is this all going to happen first, in the USA in North America, or in Europe in the form of the European Union?


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Re: The National Sunday law is near! [Re: Daryl] #123352
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Ellen seems to make it clear that the US will lead the world in this endeavor.

Re: The National Sunday law is near! [Re: crater] #123394
02/18/10 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted By: crater
Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
Crater, do think things will switch to biblical reasons for wanting to legislate and enforce Sunday Laws, that is, do you think things will evolve until they begin to fulfill the prophecies that describe the legislation and enforcement of Sunday Laws?

Quote:
I am seeing that environmental issues are a common ground, a politically correct issue and having a day of "rest" to help "save the earth" would be seen as a good thing by todays mindset! There is lots of pressure to be politically correct, especially when it comes to environmental issues!


I see a mindset developing! Even the agnostic / atheist would accept a day of rest enforcement, for "saving the earth"!

"Our people have been regarded as too insignificant to be worthy of notice; but a change will come. The Christian world is now making movements which will necessarily bring commandment-keeping people into prominence. There is a constant supplanting of God's truth by the theories and false doctrines of human origin. Movements are being set on foot to enslave the consciences of those who would be loyal to God. The law-making powers will be against God's people. Every soul will be tested.--Testimonies, vol. 5, p. 546.

"The time is not far distant when the test will come to every soul. The observance of the false sabbath will be urged upon us. The contest will be between the commandments of God and the commandments of men. Those who have yielded step by step to worldly demands, and conformed to worldly customs, will then yield to the powers that be, rather than subject themselves to derision, insult, threatened imprisonment, and death. At that time the gold will be separated from the dross. . . . Many a star that we have admired for its brilliance will then go out in darkness. Those who have assumed the ornaments of the sanctuary, but are not clothed with Christ's righteousness, will then appear in the shame of their own nakedness."--Prophets and Kings, p. 188

"Through the two great errors, the immortality of the soul and Sunday sacredness, Satan will bring the people under his deceptions. While the former lays the foundation of Spiritualism, the latter creates a bond of sympathy with Rome. The Protestants of the United States will be foremost in stretching their hands across the gulf to grasp the hand of Spiritualism; they will reach over the abyss to clasp hands with the Roman power; and under the influence of this threefold union, this country will follow in the steps of Rome in trampling on the rights of conscience."--The Great Controversy, p. 588

"When our nation shall so abjure the principles of its government as to enact a Sunday law, Protestantism will in this act join hands with popery; it will be nothing else than giving life to the tyranny which has long been eagerly watching its opportunity to spring again into active despotism." --Testimonies, vol. 5, p. 712

" There is a prospect before us of a continued struggle, at the risk of imprisonment, loss of property, and even of life itself, to defend the law of God, which is made void by the laws of men. In this situation worldly policy will urge an outward compliance with the laws of the land, for the sake of peace and harmony. And there are some who will even urge such a course from the Scripture: "Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. . . . The powers that be are ordained of God." {5T 712.3}

I do suspect that the mindset is being prepared for our nation to abjure (to renounce upon oath/ to reject solemnly) the principles of its government as to enact a Sunday law. This law could be instigated / pushed in for the benefit of the environmental cause! Protestantism would go for it and back it, their cause would be served as well! The agnostic / atheist, pagan . . . could accept a day of rest enforcement, for "saving the earth"!

I don't know what you mean by "switch to biblical reasons"? "Prophecies that describe the legislation and enforcement of Sunday Laws"? Which scriptures / prophecies are you referring to?

Satan will attempt to deceive the world into believing God changed the Sabbath from the seventh-day to the first-day of the week. Do you think things will eventually evolve to include this reason for keeping the first-day holy?

Re: The National Sunday law is near! [Re: Mountain Man] #123406
02/18/10 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
Originally Posted By: crater
Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
Crater, do think things will switch to biblical reasons for wanting to legislate and enforce Sunday Laws, that is, do you think things will evolve until they begin to fulfill the prophecies that describe the legislation and enforcement of Sunday Laws?

Quote:
I am seeing that environmental issues are a common ground, a politically correct issue and having a day of "rest" to help "save the earth" would be seen as a good thing by todays mindset! There is lots of pressure to be politically correct, especially when it comes to environmental issues!


I see a mindset developing! Even the agnostic / atheist would accept a day of rest enforcement, for "saving the earth"!

"Our people have been regarded as too insignificant to be worthy of notice; but a change will come. The Christian world is now making movements which will necessarily bring commandment-keeping people into prominence. There is a constant supplanting of God's truth by the theories and false doctrines of human origin. Movements are being set on foot to enslave the consciences of those who would be loyal to God. The law-making powers will be against God's people. Every soul will be tested.--Testimonies, vol. 5, p. 546.

"The time is not far distant when the test will come to every soul. The observance of the false sabbath will be urged upon us. The contest will be between the commandments of God and the commandments of men. Those who have yielded step by step to worldly demands, and conformed to worldly customs, will then yield to the powers that be, rather than subject themselves to derision, insult, threatened imprisonment, and death. At that time the gold will be separated from the dross. . . . Many a star that we have admired for its brilliance will then go out in darkness. Those who have assumed the ornaments of the sanctuary, but are not clothed with Christ's righteousness, will then appear in the shame of their own nakedness."--Prophets and Kings, p. 188

"Through the two great errors, the immortality of the soul and Sunday sacredness, Satan will bring the people under his deceptions. While the former lays the foundation of Spiritualism, the latter creates a bond of sympathy with Rome. The Protestants of the United States will be foremost in stretching their hands across the gulf to grasp the hand of Spiritualism; they will reach over the abyss to clasp hands with the Roman power; and under the influence of this threefold union, this country will follow in the steps of Rome in trampling on the rights of conscience."--The Great Controversy, p. 588

"When our nation shall so abjure the principles of its government as to enact a Sunday law, Protestantism will in this act join hands with popery; it will be nothing else than giving life to the tyranny which has long been eagerly watching its opportunity to spring again into active despotism." --Testimonies, vol. 5, p. 712

" There is a prospect before us of a continued struggle, at the risk of imprisonment, loss of property, and even of life itself, to defend the law of God, which is made void by the laws of men. In this situation worldly policy will urge an outward compliance with the laws of the land, for the sake of peace and harmony. And there are some who will even urge such a course from the Scripture: "Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. . . . The powers that be are ordained of God." {5T 712.3}

I do suspect that the mindset is being prepared for our nation to abjure (to renounce upon oath/ to reject solemnly) the principles of its government as to enact a Sunday law. This law could be instigated / pushed in for the benefit of the environmental cause! Protestantism would go for it and back it, their cause would be served as well! The agnostic / atheist, pagan . . . could accept a day of rest enforcement, for "saving the earth"!

I don't know what you mean by "switch to biblical reasons"? "Prophecies that describe the legislation and enforcement of Sunday Laws"? Which scriptures / prophecies are you referring to?

Satan will attempt to deceive the world into believing God changed the Sabbath from the seventh-day to the first-day of the week. Do you think things will eventually evolve to include this reason for keeping the first-day holy?
Which scriptures / prophecies are you referring to?
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Two Distinct Calls to the Churches.--When
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Jesus began His public ministry, He cleansed the temple from its sacrilegious profanation. Almost the last act of His ministry was to cleanse the Temple again. So in the last work for the warning of the world, two distinct calls are made to the churches; the second angel's message, and the voice heard in heaven, "Come out of her, my people. . . . For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities" (Rev. 18:4, 5). {3SM 405.4}

As God called the children of Israel out of Egypt, that they might keep His Sabbath, so He calls His people out of Babylon that they may not worship the beast nor his image. The man of sin, who thought to change times and laws, has exalted himself above God by presenting this spurious sabbath to the world; the Christian world has accepted this child of the Papacy, and cradled and nourished it, thus defying God by removing His memorial and setting up a rival sabbath. {3SM 406.1}

A More Decided Effort to Exalt Sunday.--After the truth has been proclaimed as a witness to all nations, at a time when every conceivable power of evil is set in operation, when minds are confused by the many voices crying, "Lo, here is Christ," "Lo, He is there," "This is truth," "I have a message from God," "He has sent me with great light," and there is a removing of the landmarks, and an attempt to tear down the pillars of our faith--then a more decided effort is made to exalt the false sabbath, and to cast contempt upon God Himself by supplanting the day He has blessed and sanctified. {3SM 406.2}

While Satan Works the Angel of Revelation 18 Proclaims His Message.--This false sabbath is to be enforced by an oppressive law. Satan and his angels are wide awake and intensely active, working with energy and perseverance through human instrumentalities to bring about his purpose of obliterating the knowledge of God. While Satan is working with his lying wonders, the time has come [that was] foretold in the Revelation, when the mighty angel that shall lighten the earth with his glory will proclaim the fall of Babylon and call upon
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God's people to forsake her. . . . {3SM 406.3} Repairers of the Breach.--As the end approaches, the testimonies of God's servants will become more decided and more powerful, flashing the light of truth upon the systems of error and oppression that have so long held the supremacy. The Lord has sent us messages for this time to establish Christianity upon an eternal basis, and all who believe present truth must stand, not in their own wisdom, but in God; and raise up the foundation of many generations. These will be registered in the books of heaven as repairers of the breach, the restorers of paths to dwell in. We are to maintain the truth because it is truth, in the face of the bitterest opposition. . . . {3SM 407.1}

Temptations will come upon us. Iniquity abounds where you least expect it. Dark chapters will open that are most terrible, to weigh down the soul; but we need not fail nor be discouraged while we know that the bow of promise is above the throne of God. {3SM 407.2}

We shall be subject to heavy trials, opposition, bereavement, affliction; but we know that Jesus passed through all these. These experiences are valuable to us. The advantages are not by any means confined to this short life. They reach into eternal ages. . . . {3SM 407.3}

As we near the close of this earth's history, we advance more and more rapidly in Christian growth, or we retrograde just as decidedly.--Letter 1f, 1890. {3SM 407.4}

Backsliding SDA's Unite with Unbelievers


Satan is Christ's personal enemy. . . . Long has he deceived mankind, and great is his power over the human family; and his rage against the people of God increases as he finds that the knowledge of God's requirements is extending to all parts of the world, and that the light of present truth is shining to those who have long sat in darkness. . . . {3SM 407.5}

The Word of God . . . is to be our defense when Satan works with such lying wonders that, if it were possible, he would deceive the very elect. It is then that
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those who have not stood firmly for the truth will unite with the unbelieving, who love and make a lie. When these wonders are performed, when the sick are healed and other marvels are wrought, they will be deceived. Are we prepared for the perilous times that are right upon us? Or are we standing where we will fall an easy prey to the wiles of the devil?--Manuscript 81, 1908. {3SM 407.6}

A Science of the Devil

What is soon coming upon us? Seducing spirits are coming in. If God has ever spoken by me, you will before long hear of a wonderful science--a science of the devil. Its aim will be to make of no account God and Jesus Christ whom He has sent. Some will exalt this false science, and through them Satan will seek to make void the law of God. Great miracles will be performed in the sight of men in behalf of this wonderful science.-- Letter 48, 1907. {3SM 408.1}
I wonder what this science is? Any thoughts?

Re: The National Sunday law is near! [Re: crater] #123427
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I'm referring to the prophecy in the GC where Ellen White writes about evil angels using spiritualism to tell people the Sabbath has been changed to Sunday. For example:

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In gentle, compassionate tones he presents some of the same gracious, heavenly truths which the Saviour uttered; he heals the diseases of the people, and then, in his assumed character of Christ, he claims to have changed the Sabbath to Sunday, and commands all to hallow the day which he has blessed. He declares that those who persist in keeping holy the seventh day are blaspheming his name by refusing to listen to his angels sent to them with light and truth. {GC 624.2}

A false, miraculous, wonderful science of Satan. Don't know. Good question. Here's more:

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In the future, truth will be counterfeited by the precepts of men. Deceptive theories will be presented as safe doctrines. False science is one of the agencies that Satan used in the heavenly courts, and it is used by him today. {Ev 600.4}

False science is one of the agencies that Satan used in the heavenly courts, and it is used by him today. The false assertions that he made to the angels, his subtle scientific theories, seduced many of them from their loyalty. {8T 290.1}

Our Counselor impressed deeply on our minds that God's commandment-keeping people must be sanctified through the truth and that truth must ever be given the foremost place. We must not forget that Satan still lives to exercise his deceptive power through false science. {9T 69.1}

The glad tidings of salvation are to be taken to those who have not yet heard them. Satan is determined to place God's people in a false light before the world. He is pleased when their lives reveal defects, when they cherish objectionable traits of character. These traits of character he uses in his service. He tries to keep God's people in a continual state of uncertainty by bringing in false theories and false science. He seeks to deceive them as he deceived Adam and Eve. He would lead them to depart from God, their true Counselor, and accept his spiritualistic sophistries. With these sophistries clothed in the garments of light, he seeks to deceive if possible the very elect. {TDG 325.1}

I have been told that many who give heed to the false science of the enemy would denounce my work as that of a false prophet, and would place upon the testimony such interpretations as tend to change the truth of God into a lie. Satan is on the alert; and some who in the past have been used by the Lord in doing His work, but who have permitted themselves to be deceived, will be stirred up to make an improper use of the messages given. Because they do not wish to listen to the words of reproof, because they will not hear counsel, and improve their course of action, and do their appointed work, they will misconstrue the messages to the church, and confuse many minds. {1SM 52.4}

In the face of the most positive commands of God, men and women will follow their own inclinations and then dare to pray over the matter, to prevail upon God to consent to allow them to go contrary to His expressed will. The Lord is not pleased with such prayers. Satan comes to the side of such persons, as he did to Eve in Eden, and impresses them, and they have an exercise of mind, and this they relate as a most wonderful experience which the Lord has given them. A true experience will be in perfect harmony with natural and divine law. False experience will array itself against science and the principles of Jehovah. The religious world is covered with a pall of moral darkness. Superstition and bigotry control the minds of men and women, and blind their judgment so that they do not discern their duty to their fellow men and their duty to yield unquestioned obedience to the will of God. {3T 72.2}

The word of God will judge every one of us at the last great day. Young men talk about science and are wise above that which is written; they seek to explain the ways and work of God to meet their finite comprehension; but it is all a miserable failure. True science and Inspiration are in perfect harmony. False science is a something independent of God. It is pretentious ignorance. This deceptive power has captivated and enslaved the minds of many, and they have chosen darkness rather than light. They have taken their position on the side of unbelief, as though it were a virtue and the sign of a great mind to doubt, when it is the sign of a mind too weak and narrow to perceive God in His created works. They could not fathom the mystery of His providence should they study with all their power for a lifetime. And because the works of God cannot be explained by finite minds, Satan brings his sophistry to bear upon them and entangles them in the meshes of unbelief. If these doubting ones will come into close connection with God, He will make His purposes clear to their understanding. {4T 584.2}

It looks as though the "false science" Satan employs to lead people astray has to do with what we think and believe about the truth as it is in Jesus.

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you will before long hear of a wonderful science--a science of the devil. Its aim will be to make of no account God and Jesus Christ whom He has sent. Some will exalt this false science, and through them Satan will seek to make void the law of God.
Could it be evolution?
Or do you think it's something new of now rather than new of then?
Evolution does fit, and is used by those who can't bring themselves to believe in a killing God, nor want to do his commandments.

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She wrote about Satan's wonderful science in 1907 around the time Kellogg wrote Living Temple. She may have had it in mind. She wrote:

The time has come when our people should understand that it is not profitable for them to spend their time and talents in selling the medical work into which the author is weaving dangerous spiritual sophistries. [A BOOK BY JOHN HARVEY KELLOGG, M.D., TITLED THE LIVING TEMPLE, IN WHICH THE TEACHINGS OF PANTHEISM APPEARED.]--Lt 66. 1907. {PM 314.2}

What is soon coming upon us? Seducing spirits are coming in. If God has ever spoken by me, you will before long hear of a wonderful science--a science of the devil. Its aim will be to make of no account God and Jesus Christ whom He has sent. Some will exalt this false science, and through them Satan will seek to make void the law of God. Great miracles will be performed in the sight of men in behalf of this wonderful sciences.--Letter 48, 1907. {3SM 408.1}

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