The term "everlasting Father" is found here:

Not only is the Child, as in Jesus Christ, as in the Son of God, is called "The everlasting Father", He is also called "The mighty God".

This says that Christ is actually Jehovah God.

Hi Daryl,

Yes, everlasting father refers to Christ in Isaiah 9:6. He is our everlasting father, always was our father, and will always be the father of the human race.

We all have access to everlasting life, but this word does not apply to our past, only our future.

While it may seem that Christ is here called Jehovah(3068), it's not the case, as 'God' here is the word 'el'(410).

Part of the Trinity confusion blends the identities of Father and Son, a dangerous twist which I'll attempt to clarify in the following posts. Your questions are important and must be considered in the light of fuller scripture evidence. I'm on a poor connection w/o all customary references, so thank you for your patience.
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The Father & Son are Separate Persons - l

The Bible describes their differences. The Father is the God of Christ. Never are these positions reversed.

The God of Christ:

• Ephesians 1:17 – “That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him.”
• John 20 :17 – “Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.”
• 1 Peter 1:3 – “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.”
• Matthew 27:46 – “My God, my god, why hast thou forsaken me”
• Hebrews 10:7 – “Then said I, Lo, I come…to do thy will, O God.”
• Revelation 3:12 – Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God,…and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God”
• 1 Corinthians 11:3 – But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.”

The Son is never God of the Father.
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However, this does not apply to Jesus.

Hebrews 7:3 Without father, without mother and without descent, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but made like unto the Son of God, he abideth a priest continually


Yes, but Christ Himself claimed to be Jehovah.

John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, "Verily, verily I say unto you, before Abraham was, I am!"

“I AM means an eternal presence; the past, present, and future are alike to God. He sees the most remote events of past history and the far distant future with as clear a vision as we do those things that are transpiring daily. ... ‘Then said the Jews unto Him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast Thou seen Abraham? Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM. Then took they up stones to cast at Him’ because of that saying [verses 57-59]. Christ was using the great name of God that was given to Moses to express the idea of the eternal presence.”{14MR 22.2}



God the Father calls Him God.

Hebrews 1:8 But unto the Son He [God the Father] saith, "Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever; a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Thy Kingdom”.

As to the passages you quoted, please bear in mind that, until the completion of the plan of salvation at the end of the millennium, Christ must be subordinate to God the Father as the representative of the human race, for He took the place of Adam.

The Father & Son are Separate Persons - II

Christ derives from the Greek word Christos,(5547) which means ‘the Anointed One.’
Messiah derives from the Hebrew word Mashiyach,(4899) which means ‘the Anointed One.’

The Son is Christ, ‘the anointed one of God’. The Father is never called the anointed one.

The Christ of God:

• John 1:41 – “We have found the Messias, which is , being interpreted, the Christ.” (margin ~ the Anointed)
• Luke 2:26 – “And it was revealed to him by the Holy Ghost, that he should not see death, before he had seen the Lord’s Christ.”
• Luke 9:20 – “He said unto them, But whom say ye that I am? Peter answering said, The Christ of God.”
• Acts 4:26 – “The kings of the earth stood up, and the rulers were gathered together against the Lord, and against his Christ.”
• John 4:25 – “I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ”
• Acts 9:22 – But Saul increased the more in strength, and confounded the Jews which dwelt at Damascus, proving that this is very Christ.” [truly the Anointed One]
• Acts 2:36 – “Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.”
• Revelation 12:10 – “And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ”

The Son is ‘the anointed one’, the Christ of God.

The Father is never called Christ or ‘the anointed one’.

The Father anointed His Son.
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Hi Rosangela,

Christ never claimed to be God the Father - please don't confuse their individual persons. There is only one Ancient of Days. The Father alone hath immortality. I hope to make such distinctions more plain in following posts.

Christ is subject to the Father, and always will be, demonstrating the order of Heaven. He delights to carry out Father's will.

"Nearly two thousand years ago, a voice of mysterious import was heard in heaven, from the throne of God, "Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me, I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart."...Christ was about to visit our world, and to become incarnate." - Desire of Ages 23.

Christ remains subject to the Father once the Great Controversy closes:

"And when all things shall be subdued unto5293 him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto5293 him that put all things under5293 him, that God may be all in all." 1 Corinthians 15:28
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Gordon, I would appreciate hearing your response to the comments and questions I posed to Elle (post #123741 toward the bottom of the previous page). Thank you.

The Father & Son are Separate Persons - III

The Father anointed the Son, and for this reason, Jesus is called the Christ, the Anointed One.

The Son never anointed the Father.

The Father anoints the Son:

• Acts 10:38 – “How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost [Spirit] and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.”
• John 3:34 – “For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.”
• Acts 4:27 – “For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together”
• Psalms 2:7 – “Yet have I set (5258 – margin – anointed) my king upon my holy hill of Zion.”
• Hebrews 1:9 – “Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.”
• Isaiah 61:1 - The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek.”

Philippians 2:5 - "Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus."

Numbers 11:29 – “And Moses said unto him, Enviest thou for my sake? Would God that all the LORD’S people were prophets, and that the LORD would put his spirit upon them.”
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Hi Mike, It seems you had scripture for Elle, but then you offered 'stands to reason'. If there is no scripture then we should not speculate. However, the doctrine of Christ (2 John 9) is a matter of Biblical record. Not everyone chooses to believe that God gave His Only Begotten Son. But this is the theme of the New Testament, the Desire of all Nations. The Jews also denied the Son:

"Christ claimed to be the Only Begotten of the Father, but men encased in unbelief, barricaded with prejudice, denied the Holy and the Just One." - 1 Selected Messages 271.

If the Bible states that God sent His Son, then He had a Son to send. More on this. If you study (not skim) Proverbs 8: 22-30, it becomes apparent that the Son was brought forth in the days of eternity. Ellen White testifies the same. For those who are vacillating, please read the Epistles of John & John 17.

The opening chapters of Patriarchs & Prophets, as well as the Story of Redemption, make this case quite plainly. Christ was God's Son before creation. It's not 'merely a title' Mike, it's both the foundation of the gospel and the root of the Great Controversy. (Matthew 4:3 - "If thou be the Son of God...")

"Before the assembled inhabitants of heaven the king declared that none but Christ, the Only Begotten of God, could fully enter into his purposes, and to Him it was comitted to execute the mighty counsels of His will. The Son of God had wrought the Father's will in the creation of all the host of heaven, and to Him, as well as to God, their homage and allegiance were due." - Patriarchs & Prophets 36.

We must seek the weight of evidence Mike, not traces of doubt.
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Just a brief answer, as it's too late here.


Gordon, I'm not confusing their individual persons. The name Jehovah means "the Self-Existent One," and is not applied exclusively to the Father. Jesus claimed to be the "I AM" of Ex 3:14, and the Jews understood this perfectly. The Bible text is clear and the Ellen White passage is clear. You can't quote just some passages and ignore others.

“The name of God [I AM], given to Moses to express the idea of eternal presence, had been claimed AS HIS OWN by this Galilean Rabbi [Jesus]. He had announced Himself to be the Self-existent One…” (Desire of Ages p. 469-70)


Gordon, 1 Cor. 15:28 says Christ will subject Himself to the Father at the end of the millennium, in order to close the history of sin. It doesn't say Christ will be subject to the Father during all eternity.