Yes, and those "adventists" who rejected Sister White's confirmation on Doctrine were classified as being 'apostate'. The publications went so far to state as Sister White goes so goes the 3rd angels message, Sanctuary & Sabbath Truth. Sister White "confirmed" all of those to include the "Personality of God".




There has always been and will always be what you described in every church - I'm speaking of "the main body" as in the head controls the body and the human head of our Faith is absolutely Sister White. Are you talking about "Holy Flesh movement" and things like that or do you have evidence that Sister White held views apart from the main body whereas the Landmarks or Pillars of the faith are concerned? I would be interested to see anything you can point me toward.

Question: What do you understand as being different between Sister White's confirmation of the shut door (Midnight Cry) in December of 44 and her vision EW 42-45 in 1849?

Not to belabour the actually off-topic point of the Views of Inspiration of EGW but, although I do not have the exact quotes, but the record of EGW disagreement with various writers and leaders for and in the Main Church, to the point where she was “banished” to Australia for a while, are amply copious.

As already stated, the Shut-Door View before the 1849 vision was the “door” to the “Midnight Cry” wedding hall in the Parable of the 10 Virgins, while the Shut-Door View after that 1849 vision referred to the Sanctuary apartment doors as she saw in that vision.

This White Estate article may be helpful in this Discussion of these two different “Shut Doors”. (See also this Appendix (H) in “Messenger of the Lord”.

The other two parts of my point showing that two other key SDA teachings expediently came directly from God through a revelation are also important to this understanding of the SOP’s role.

Ahhh, the Midnight Cry / Shut door was ONLY that...
...It didn't mean anything other than that.
...The marriage was a mechanism subsequent to 1844 used to justify why the 2nd Coming hadn't yet taken place.

I do not understand your answer here.
You seem to be slighting, even dismissing, EGW “confirmation” vision of the Midgnight Cry Shut Door view, as you yourself had just upheld.

Could you most straightly restate and elaborate your answer here.

The "True Midnight Cry / Shut door" promulgated by George Storrs and Sam Snow ONLY meant...
...That the period of time from the Campmeeting to 22 October 1844 ( approx 3 months ) was the "cry".
...& that the world MUST repent and accept this teaching OR BE LOST.
...That was it - there was NO other teaching.

I'm saying Sister White explicitly affirmed Storrs and Snow's message via the Power of God...
...I thought we covered this initially w/ the mechanism of present truth.

Remember when I was saying that Sister White trumps the Bible? Well, the Bible is very clear...
...That man could not know the hour, the day or even season of the Lord's Coming.
...Sister White formally admitted that the ONLY problem many people had who didn't join the 7th Month movement.
...Was the Bible texts which said man could not know the day or hour.

Now, knowing that AT THAT TIME there was NO other message within the 7th month movement / shut door...
...Other than repent because Jesus is coming.
...People had a choice to make.

A) The 7th month movement as presented by Incarnation of Elijah & Storrs.

OR

B) The Bible says no man knows so this must be false teaching.

Sister White was loud and clear that the people who didn't join the movement and used the Bible as the reason...
...Failed the test of God - which was accepting Incarnation of Elijah.

I'm looking at the time hack between the Spring of 1843 through 22 October 1844....
And as Sister White says in no uncertain terms: those who followed the Bible failed the test.
I thought we covered this already.

I fully support Sister Whites Visions???

Now I see again how we had gotten on this actually irrelevant sidetrack in regards to the actual and pertinent topic/issue/question at hand. So here is the question point blank: To you, are EGW two Shut Door visions name the 1844 Midnight Cry one and the 1849 Sanctuary the same? Please try to stay focused and, literally, “on track” in your response. The issue is not at all whether the previous Midnight Cry movement and Shut Door Teaching was of God/True or not.

To me, they clearly are not and that is why I say that the Sanctuary Shut Door Message came directly from God to EGW, whereas the first was indeed brought forth by other people and later confirmed by EGW’s vision.

Yes, they are both equally valid and absolutely accurate. They were both equally from "God".

Again, for some reason, you are actually not at all answering the pointed and pertinent questions/issues/topic at hand:

1) Where the two shut door identifications one and the same? “Equally valid” implies that they indeed were distinct understandings and contradicts your previous “Yes” answer for this question.

2) Was not the second (and distinct) Shut-Door identification directly from God, in that, in relation to this topic, it was not other people who first came up with it from the Bible and then this was supernaturally confirmed by a vision., but that God Himself explicitly first told/indicated to them this teaching/understanding, as he had pivotally and crucially done with Edson for the Heavenly Sanctuary and then EGW for the Sabbath = Seal of God prophetic understanding in the Third Angel’s Message?