Seriously, Daryl, could you just summarize what he is saying? I don't have time to sit through an hour and a half of video just to make a comment on it.

I can't summarize it until after I have heard it myself, which I hope to be doing soon.

WOW! WHAT A PRESENTATION!

Every SDA needs to see this video. It certainly gives new meaning to Daniel 7:25, doesn't it?

And for the person wanting a summary, well, thre's a lot to say in one paragraph. I took notes along the way- like 6 pages (handwritten).

NOW, most everyone knows that I make dvds (used to be videos) by my Keepers of the faith Ministry. daryl, how do I get a copy of this to make dvds? This needs to be available to anyone and everyone.

LMe

I am in the process of downloading it now to see if it can be burned onto a DVD.

You are also correct that this can't be summarized in one paragraph. Each person needs to watch and listen to it for himself/herself.

Well, I did a bit of researching my notes and comparing musical definitions from my wife's music notes.


Isa 58:11-13 And the LORD shall guide thee continually, and satisfy thy soul in drought, and make fat thy bones: and thou shalt be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water, whose waters fail not.
And they that shall be of thee shall build the old waste places: thou shalt raise up the foundations of many generations; and thou shalt be called, The repairer of the breach, The restorer of paths to dwell in.
If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:

What a God is our God! He rules over His kingdom with diligence and care, and He has built a hedge-- the Ten Commandments--about His subjects to preserve them from the results of transgression. In requiring obedience to the laws of His kingdom, God gives His people health and happiness, peace and joy. He teaches them that the perfection of character He requires can be attained only by becoming familiar with His word. {CT 454.1}

Here is a little background on the BASICS of MUSIC.

A CLEF is a sign placed at the beginning of each staff, which tells you the exact pitch of one particular line…consists of five lines and four spaces.

KEY SIGNATURE is a group of one or more sharps or flats placed right after the clef sign.



A sign called time signature has two numbers, one above the other, is placed at the beginning of the music, right after the KEY signature (i.e. simple time such as two-four time, three-four time, four-four time).

Two-four time means the strong accent (beat) is on the first note of the measure (two-four means ¼ note is equal to one beat, and there are 2 beats in each measure, thus emphasis is on first ¼ note – like BOOM, bah (STRONG, weak)

Three-four time is STRONG, weak, weak!

Now there is a lot of information in Pastor Ivor Myers’ presentation BUT WHAT peaked my interest was his explanation of Daniel 7:25.
And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

SDA’s have understood this to mean that the RCC would think to change the Sabbath from Seventh day to First day. And rightly so. BUT,look at this.

Satan was the chief musician in heaven before his expulsion, right?

Music consists of 3 parts: Melody, Harmony, and Rhythm.

Exo 15:1-2 Then sang Moses and the children of Israel this song unto the LORD, and spake, saying, I will sing unto the LORD, for he hath triumphed gloriously: the horse and his rider hath he thrown into the sea.

Exo 15:2 The LORD is my strength and song, and he is become my salvation: he is my God, and I will prepare him an habitation; my father's God, and I will exalt him.

Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary

Let us observe what Moses chiefly aims at in this song.
(1.) He gives glory to God, and triumphs in him; this is first in his intention (Exo_15:1): I will sing unto the Lord. Note, All our joy must terminate in God, and all our praises be offered up to him, the Father of lights and Father of mercies, for he hath triumphed.

Melody (Song) = God the Father
Harmony = Jesus, who brings together the human and the Divine
Rhythm – Holy Spirit which involves “movement”

Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

2Pe 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

OK, Satan is an expert on music. How best to upset God’s order of music than to turn it upside down, and start with Rhythm instead of Melody.

SOP quotation
“It is impossible to estimate too largely the work that the Lord will accomplish through His proposed vessels in carrying out His mind and purpose. The things you have described as taking place in Indiana, the Lord has shown me would take place just before the close of probation. Every uncouth thing will be demonstrated. There will be shouting, with drums, music, and dancing. The senses of rational beings will become so confused that they cannot be trusted to make right decisions. And this is called the moving of the Holy Spirit. {2SM 36.2}

The Holy Spirit never reveals itself in such methods, in such a bedlam of noise. This is an invention of Satan to cover up his ingenious methods for making of none effect the pure, sincere, elevating, ennobling, sanctifying truth for this time.”

Back to Daniel 7:25
“And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.”

As previously mentioned, the devil changes the order of music. “Times” can also be interpreted as ‘two-time, three-time, etc.” Two- times as previously described emphasizes the beat on first note- STRONG, weak!

OK, two-four time also means something else. The quotation from Counsels to Parents, Teachers, and Students…10 commandments is a hedge (or barrier) around God’s people to protect them from Satan’s devices.

WHAT is Satan’s purpose? To break down the barriers and instead BRIDGE the world to the church. HOW does he do that?

Two-four time. The 2nd commandment says “thou shalt not make unto thee any graven images, etc.”

The 4th commandment says “Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy…7th day is Sabbath of Lord thy God, etc.”

WHOA, I’ll bet YOU never thought of that before from Daniel 7:25.

There’s a lot more here that I can tell you, BUT YOU need to see the presentation for YOURSELVES.

I found the examples of the two signatures of music that he showed; one being God's signature mark and the other being the devil's signature mark.

In one example the song/music began with God's signature mark for the first 30 some seconds, but then transitioned into the devil's signature mark. The first part was used as a snare into the rest of the song/music.

Right on Daryl!

LMe

Daryl must have put that "old" pic of me in. I did NOT do it, and I would remove it except my recent pic looks worse!

What a twisted, convoluted theory. I can't believe any sane person would spend time "figuring it out." Furthermore, I do not believe God makes his word so complex that only one man in 7+ billion can figure it out.

I really like to stick to reality.

Well JAK, methinks some folk like to think "outside the box". You can think and say whatever you desire....somehow, I don't believe we are meant to think only one thought per one subject...the Bible is filled with duel and triple applications...don't limit yourself to just one of them.

LMe

I noticed that they are selling the DVD for only $6 USD. They provide a link at the very end of this presentation.

Actually, I fixed your link to your picture here.

Sorry, Laurie, it's still the stupidest thing I've yet seen on this forum. And I've seen some good ones.

The thing that surprises (read "scares") me is that you sound like you actually believe it. And I thought I knew you to be a (more or less) normal person.

Daryl, can we get a "rolling your eyeballs" smilie?

Doesn't sound like you're very happy here JAK.

You could try posting some of your own ideas. That will take some courage and some thought.

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Happy? First, "happy" has nothing to do with anything. Second, I'm ROFLM_OWTIME at the stupidity of that response.



You could try reading some posts by JAK, and you will find that he has both courage and thought. Courage to challenge the status quo and out-dated "interpretations" posters claim are "revealed by the Spirit" (or whatever :rolling eyes:) AND the intellegence to recognize somebody's personal pet unsupported, baseless theories offered with no proof whatsoever.

This pastor isn't the only person to have presented this sort of message.

Brian Neumann presented something similar to this at our Maritime Campmeeting several years ago.

More recently, I think it was Dr. Neil Nedley who also said something similar in one of his presentations.