Kland,

If the original color was a mix of colors, this means that the four skin colors in existence today (not just the white color) result from a loss of information. Is this what you are saying?

No.

I am not saying there are only four skin colors in existence today.

I am not saying that all skin colors necessarily involve loss of information.

I'm saying that white skin color, if it is anything at all like such genetics in plants and other animals, involves a loss of information.

If you do not understand classical Mendelian genetics, with multiple genes or alleles being especially relevant here, and along with what I perceive some resistance to the concept, we really do not have the same basis and would require extensive and tedious interactions. But if you can explain agouti mouse color, perhaps we can discuss this more.

You claim to be saying the same thing NJK was saying, but NJK wasn't saying anything about loss of information. What he was saying was:



Now, about skin color (not race), I see four basic colors in existence today (it could be 3 if red is considered a variation of yellow), with the others being a result of the mix between the main types.

What I'm saying is that in Adam the potential combination of genes was enormous, and all colors are a result of selection from the existing gene pool. What you are saying is that the original color was a mix of colors, and that white is a loss of information. But, if none of the colors in existence today is the original color, I fail to see how white involves a loss of information, while the other colors don't (although all of them would lack elements which were present in the original color).

In reading (or re-interpreting) is comments, I now see he may be referring to an individual rather than a population.

While epistatic methylation may very well be part of the equation, it was not what I was talking about.

If you cross a black, with a white and then cross them with an oriental, and then with Eskimos and Indians, what color would you get? Then, you take those amalgamated peoples and let them segregate out.

If you can take the different races, mix them together, then let them separate out, why couldn't all races be combined at the beginning?

What does this have to do with EGW and the almalgamtion of man and beast?

Probably not as much as some might wish, Daryl. The argument kland is presenting is one which seems to make sense in a sort of reverse-logic way (working back from the end to the beginning), but the actual argument here is probably a logical fallacy. One simply cannot demonstrate lineage based on an experiment of this sort.

The fallacy here might be one of "Loaded Question."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loaded_question

Here's how it seems to break down:

P: If you cross a black, with a white and then cross them with an oriental, and then with Eskimos and Indians, what color would you get?
P: "Amalgamated" people allowed to breed freely will produce different races.
Q: All races were combined at the beginning.


The first premise above is actually stating an unproven and disputable fact in the form of an unanswered question. The second premise uses the term "amalgamated" without its having been clearly defined by the group (another fallacy, actually). The conclusion, of course, cannot be logical on the basis of such premises.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

You're partially right, partially wrong.
It would be true if I was addressing it to all. However, I was only addressing it to those who had determined what amalgamated was and that implied it was impossible for all the races to come from one couple. You might say I was arguing against the fallacy of another. I had disputed this previously. I'm not sure I would imply nor require to breed "freely". Freely, would seem to perpetuate some people's definition of "amalgamated" or better, mixed race. However, there are choices involved with people in breeding which aren't involved with plants and animals. It may result in much more speedier separations than in plants and animals. I'm reminded of the large scale slaughters in the middle east by subgroups of people who look very similar to me.

As far as the first premise, I was going from observations. Have you not seen the offspring of a black and white or any other mixed race offspring. They look very mixed to me. It is not unprovable. One can merely do research on family lines to see what has actually occurred, or one could actually do a controlled breeding experiment. Very testable as to what the outcome would be.

If you start at one state, and the result is a variety of races, mix them together to a mixed race, and if they should separate out, wouldn't that allow for the possibility that original state was a mixed race and had separated out? It can't be direct proof of what actually happened, because we can't go back there, but it sure is more inductive, supporting evidence, or whatever you want to call it, more so than what evolutionists go on as "science".

The only issue I see, regards as to whether it can be separated out. I'm only speculating as to what the result would be from segregations of plant and animal experiments, that God said all humans came from one pair, that there are currently multiple races in the world, that crossing them creates a mixture, so therefore, there would be a possibility they could separate out. I would agree, that they would not likely separate out in the exact races they started with as there are different environmental conditions, different cultural conditions, and it may be due to random factors.

"Here's how it seems to break down:

P: If you cross a black, with a white and then cross them with an oriental, and then with Eskimos and Indians, what color would you get?"

I'd think you would end up with a Tiger Woods! ; D

Well, that's good for a laugh, but I don't think that's what EGW was talking about when she wrote:



This is talking about altering God's creation in abnormal ways.
I think someone brought forth the concept of genetic engineering.

Personally I'm convinced that's what was going on. I don't for a minute believe they were some kind of backward primitive race. They had minds that would make people today look mentally challenged beside them. They had life spans of hundreds of years to experiment and learn.