Would you say that any time Ellen White talks about two or more things together and never singularly, then we can safely conclude the two are somehow connected and that she cannot mean to apply her statements individually and separately to those items?

As far ax "mixing man", read dedication's quotes.

I'm not talking about carbon dating. I was referring to the pictures that are very apparent in the remains from ancient cultures, especially in the ancient Egyptain culture.

They were obviously painted in the early years just after the flood. But could they have resulted from memories of something before the flood? And why would anybody think of them as "gods"?

It was just a question.

Seems all the clues from archeology I've brought up are dismissed or ignored. And that's what kind of interests me in the subject. But it's not important.

Dedication,

When you said "they" it was unclear to whom you were referring. As we had just been talking about the antediluvians, I assumed you were still talking about them, and I'm a bit wary of people who think they know much about the pre-Flood civilization (such as the man who wrote the book "Secrets of the Lost Races"). So I'm sort of questioning your source material, I guess. I wasn't questioning you personally. If you were to state your sources, it would make it easier for someone like me to check them out for myself. Until then, I'm fairly unpersuaded.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

kland,

I presume you're being sarcastic. If you really do want the scientific reasons, we might go into such in another thread.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

Sources?

Just go to any search engine, click on the image browser, and type "gods of egypt" into your browser --
I thought everyone KNEW what the ancient gods looked like. -- eagle heads on mens bodies, dog like heads on men's bodies. Men or womens faces on cat like bodies etc.
Guess not everyone likes history.

BUT I ALREADY SAID IT'S NOT IMPORTANT. I've just wondered at times why they had gods like that.


As to the pyrimids -- everything I wrote on them is COMMON KNOWLEDGE you can find anywhere.

As to the pre-flood people -- the BIBLE and spirit of Prophecy are in stark contrast to the evolutionary image of first civilizations. They were a VERY INTELLIGENT civilization.
I could give you several quotes -- but why spend the time?

I don't even know what you are "Unpersuaded" about?

Were you refering to my comments on the ark -- the source for those was simply my own thinking on what it may have been. After all I have two German Shepherd dogs that love to be in the house -- what would it be like to have several THOUSAND different animals cooped up in close quarters and you can't even send them outside to do their "business" and run off their energy, for a whole year? Imagine?


Or the genetic engineering --
Now there is no source for that, either for or against. It's simply putting her quotes together with the understanding that the pre-flood people were much more intelligent than we are today, (that's from EGW) and the fact that now, at the end of time scientists are figuring out how to amalgamate genetics.

Actually I did do a webpage on amalgamation about ten years ago.
http://dedication.www3.50megs.com/amalgamation.html

Um, Egypt is post-flood.

Of course Egypt is post flood.
Never said it was preflood.

But Egyptian civilization flourished back in 2500 BC!
The biggest pyramid, according to history books, was built around 2530 BC.

Bible scholars place the flood somewhere between 2300 -2500 BC.

What does this tell you?
For me it says, the Egyptian civilization was developed IMMEDIATELY after the flood. It could not be long after the flood, for it takes a bit of stretching of the numbers just to get the pyramid building closer into the time after the flood.

The people by whom civilization sprung up like new growth after winter, were still STRONGLY remembering or hearing first hand reports of the preflood civilization.

The First Dynasty of pharaohs, that some historians place in 3000 BC, apparently corresponds to the arrival of a group of people from Mesopotamia who in a short time established a complete civilization. Arts, crafts, architecture, etc. of a high level suddenly (possibly in less than a hundred years) appeared all over Egypt! Including some of the biggest structures ever built prior to modern technology.

The flood washed the pre-flood civilization away, but the survivors REMEMBERED and tried to rebuild and re-establish.

So if you want clues as to what was, one has to look at cultures that sprang up immediately after the flood.

KJV Gn 6:2 "That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they [were] fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose."

In the OT "Sons of God" is referring to angels like in the book of Job.

The JPS Tanakh Bible (Hebrew-English) translation agrees with the above : Gen 6:1-2 "When men began to increase on earth and daughters were born to them, the divine beings saw how beautiful the daughters of men were and took wives from among those that pleased them."

Also, we have in Ju 1:6 "And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day."

The above and other texts shows that there is more biblical support that the amalgamation happened between the angels and man than anything else. But that is something we SDAs will never be able to consider for it contradicts what EGW said.

Are we suppose to be a people of the Bible? Or have we regressed with time being like Mormones who openly believes that their latest prophet is above any previous revelation including the Bible? At least the Mormones are honest about it, but we wouldn't admit to that. We are a good blend of Mormones(making EGW writings an authority and interpretation of the Bible) and Catholics(making all her writings infallible). Ellen and James would of never approved of that and would of reprimended us severely.

NJK Project sent me a very good link of a sermon by a renown SDA Historian, George R. Knight, which support the above.

FP782 - The Great Gulf Joseph Smith vs. Ellen White on the Relation of the Gift of Prophecy

http://betterlifetv.tv/watch_videos_now.php?ProgID=15

I'm surely happy George is trying to get us back to the Bible like EGW and James work so hard to do.

Sorry, I got confused with what Green was questioning you on and asking for sources.