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Re: Salvation of the wicked !!!
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07/08/05 12:39 AM
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Ok, getting back to the topic. How are the wicked saved?
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Re: Salvation of the wicked !!!
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07/08/05 01:52 AM
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Tit 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Those, who have experienced salvation, know that it is not fear but peace that salvation brings. The grace of God brings salvation.
What is this grace?
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Re: Salvation of the wicked !!!
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07/08/05 05:59 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by Mountain Man:
I agree that it's way more enjoyable to talk about God saving people. However, all three of the final warning messages, described in Revelation 14, focus on . . .
...saving people from the horrors ahead.
/Thomas
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Re: Salvation of the wicked !!!
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07/08/05 01:08 PM
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Amen Thomas, that is the purpose!!!
Saving people from the horors ahead.
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Re: Salvation of the wicked !!!
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07/08/05 01:48 PM
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When I asked: " Would you kill someone if you think God told you to, MM?"You said, to my great aversion: quote:
Originally posted by Mountain Man:
Yes, of course. Why? Because God said so. In reality, though, I very much doubt that God would ever ask me to kill someone, and I know He wouldn't ask me to murder anyone. I cannot fathom a situation where God would tell me to kill someone nowadays.
I pray that you will never picture yourself as a warrior in David's army, no matter what circumstance you may fall into in the future. MM
I hope that your doubts become convictions of steel that God will never ask you to kill for Him.
You said that "I'm pretty sure that plan was limited to the...." 'Pretty sure' is the same as 'not quite convinced'... but when you quote the very Ezekiel verse that David Koresh used to arm his "church", well...that don't make you look so....safe.
You really should talk to the Lord about killing, and come to grips with this stage of christian history, not 3000 years ago, not the Crusades, not "protecting christian civilization" but take a good hard look at the type of people God will translate. They will not have anyone's blood on the hands or their "blessed sword".
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Re: Salvation of the wicked !!!
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07/09/05 02:45 AM
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Re: Salvation of the wicked !!!
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07/09/05 02:49 AM
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The Bible says there is none righteous, therefore, it is safe to assume all of us are wicked. Consequently, the salvation of the wicked is the same for all of us. We must be born again, otherwise salvation is not possible. Grace is the power of God that enables us to resist sin and to reproduce the loving character of Christ. It is by beholding Christ that the grace of God is made effectual in our lives. Jesus must first, last and best.
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Re: Salvation of the wicked !!!
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07/09/05 11:22 AM
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Grace is the power of God.
Grace is the power of God that changes our hearts.
What is wrong with our hearts that it needs changing?
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Re: Salvation of the wicked !!!
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07/09/05 12:14 PM
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"Changed" is a watery word for what God will do. Exchanged is what I see.
My sin-riddled heart/mind for a new one.
If the fountain is clean, the deeds are clean.
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Re: Salvation of the wicked !!!
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07/10/05 02:56 AM
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Agreed Phil, didn't mean to water it down.
If the position is that all are wicked. How come not many see themselves wicked? What is wicked about the heart?
Jer 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
What does that mean in real life?
How does "grace" save?
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