It's funny brother. I've been to Indonesia several times. My wife is from Bandung, and Since you live in Jakarta if you have been to any of the SDA churches there in the past couple of years I have probably stood in the same room as you and may have even met you. But the strange this is, what you teach and what I've heard from those wonderful pastors and men of faith over there is completely different.

Are you a true Seventh Day Adventist, or are you here to be a distraction?

Oh really, just a little faith and his sins still on him eh?

I guess you haven't read about how his prayer was the only comfort given to Jesus while He was on the cross and that prayer swept away the Pain for a brief moment for the Son of God.

A little faith? You do not know the truth.

"To Jesus in His agony on the cross there came one gleam of comfort. It was the prayer of the penitent thief. Both the men who were crucified with Jesus had at first railed upon Him; and one under his suffering only became more desperate and defiant. But not so with his companion. This man was not a hardened criminal; he had been led astray by evil associations, but he was less guilty than many of those who stood beside the cross reviling the Saviour. He had seen and heard Jesus, and had been convicted by His teaching, but he had been turned away from Him by the priests and rulers. Seeking to stifle conviction, he had plunged deeper and deeper into sin, until he was arrested, tried as a criminal, and condemned to die on the cross. In the judgment hall and on the way to Calvary he had been in company with Jesus. He had heard Pilate declare, “I find no fault in Him.” John 19:4. He had marked His godlike bearing, and His pitying forgiveness of His tormentors. On the cross he sees the many great religionists shoot out the tongue with scorn, and ridicule the Lord Jesus. He sees the wagging heads. He hears the upbraiding speeches taken up by his companion in guilt: “If Thou be Christ, save Thyself and us.” Among the passers-by he hears many defending Jesus. He hears them repeat His words, and tell of His works. The conviction comes back to him that this is the Christ. Turning to his fellow criminal he says, “Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation?” The dying thieves have no longer anything to fear from man. But upon one of them presses the conviction that there is a God to fear, a future to cause him to tremble. And now, all sin-polluted as it is, his life history is about to close. “And we indeed justly,” he moans; “for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this Man hath done nothing amiss.” {DA 749.3}
There is no question now. There are no doubts, no reproaches. When condemned for his crime, the thief had become hopeless and despairing; but strange, tender thoughts now spring up. He calls to mind all he has heard of Jesus, how He has healed the sick and pardoned sin. He has heard the words of those who believed in Jesus and followed Him weeping. He has seen and read the title above the Saviour’s head. He has heard the passers-by repeat it, some with grieved, quivering lips, others with jesting and mockery. The Holy Spirit illuminates his mind, and little by little the chain of evidence is joined together. In Jesus, bruised, mocked, and hanging upon the cross, he sees the Lamb of God, that taketh away the sin of the world. Hope is mingled with anguish in his voice as the helpless, dying soul casts himself upon a dying Saviour. “Lord, remember me,” he cries, “when Thou comest into Thy kingdom.” {DA 750.1}
Quickly the answer came. Soft and melodious the tone, full of love, compassion, and power the words: Verily I say unto thee today, Thou shalt be with Me in paradise. {DA 750.2}
For long hours of agony, reviling and mockery have fallen upon the ears of Jesus. As He hangs upon the cross, there floats up to Him still the sound of jeers and curses. With longing heart He has listened for some expression of faith from His disciples. He has heard only the mournful words, “We trusted that it had been He which should have redeemed Israel.” How grateful then to the Saviour was the utterance of faith and love from the dying thief! While the leading Jews deny Him, and even the disciples doubt His divinity, the poor thief, upon the brink of eternity, calls Jesus Lord. Many were ready to call Him Lord when He wrought miracles, and after He had risen from the grave; but none acknowledged Him as He hung dying upon the cross save the penitent thief who was saved at the eleventh hour. {DA 750.3}
The bystanders caught the words as the thief called Jesus Lord. The tone of the repentant man arrested their attention. Those who at the foot of the cross had been quarreling over Christ’s garments, and casting lots upon His vesture, stopped to listen. Their angry tones were hushed. With bated breath they looked upon Christ, and waited for the response from those dying lips. {DA 751.1}
As He spoke the words of promise, the dark cloud that seemed to enshroud the cross was pierced by a bright and living light. To the penitent thief came the perfect peace of acceptance with God. Christ in His humiliation was glorified. He who in all other eyes appeared to be conquered was a Conqueror. He was acknowledged as the Sin Bearer. Men may exercise power over His human body. They may pierce the holy temples with the crown of thorns. They may strip from Him His raiment, and quarrel over its division. But they cannot rob Him of His power to forgive sins. In dying He bears testimony to His own divinity and to the glory of the Father. His ear is not heavy that it cannot hear, neither His arm shortened that it cannot save. It is His royal right to save unto the uttermost all who come unto God by Him. {DA 751.2}

Perfect peace with God, do you have that? Are you there Brother? He acquired more faith in one day than most people will in a lifetime. You do not know the truth.

The moment he was at peace with the Father He no longer had ANY sins on him. None.

He would have been tested if let off the cross, but this does not mean he had to go back to sinning either, and for you to assume he would proves how little faith you have in the sustaining power of the word of God.

The fact that men call him the "thief on the cross", and not the "penitent thief" speaks volumes.

A good story, thank you!

But we should hold to the greater light than the lesser light, right?

Matthew 27:44 - The thieves also, who were crucified with Him, cast the same in His teeth.

Matthew 27:44
Amplified Bible (AMP)
44 And the robbers who were crucified with Him also abused and reproached and made sport of Him in the same way.

There are too many LEGALIST in our church.

Faith + works as a prerequisite to enter heaven, they taught everywhere which is subtle legalism.

James Saptenno, since the fruit of the Spirit is the fruit of faith doesn't it stand to reason good works are inevitable?

I don't hear you quoting anything from scripture that would contradict what Mrs White saw in the Spirit, yet you are immediately discounting what she said that God showed her? So are you saying you have the greater understanding? You have totally exposed yourself. I will contact people from Indonesia and ask who you are. My wife doesn't know you and she was treasurer for the Ebenhazer church for years and worked with the president of the University.

The men I met over there brought tears to my eyes for their love of God and you call them legalistic? Generalizing everyone else like you are the only person to get it right? You are NOT a true Seventh Day Adventist.

Ellen White was inspired by God, she saw things inspired directly from God's heart, to her mind through the Holy Spirit, if you do not believe this, WHY ARE YOU HERE?

She did say this in that writing,

"Both the men who were crucified with Jesus had at first railed upon Him; and one under his suffering only became more desperate and defiant. But not so with his companion."

So why do you assume this contradicts what you just quoted?

We are saved individually, right? Not as a congregation. So, no matter what they teach, I have my own study.

Why I am here? Of course to study the Scripture with all of you here, your views, opinions, etc. And it is not all in agreements, right?

And why if i disagree with sister EGW, does that make me have a better view than her? Does that make me have a greater insight than her?

I am not afraid of disagreeing with some one, even God.

That is my free will choice.