Good quotes, GC, thanks for the spirit and advice, some people needs it.

I will reword what you wrote so it reflects what I believe:

A perfect, sinless character is inevitable. Not one single sinful habit remains. The fruit of abiding in Jesus and partaking of the divine nature is the fruit of the Spirit. We must work hard, discipline our bodies and minds to fulfill the righteous demands of the law, with the power of the Spirit, hence, a joint operation work. It does not, however, add to what Jesus accomplishes for us. Our justification is based solely on His blood and righteousness. On judgment day, therefore, we will be treated as if we never sinned.


Jesus' grace is sufficient "to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them." Again, saying we must be perfectly sinless to be saved is like saying a mango tree must bear mangoes to be a mango tree. A mango tree bears mangoes because it is a mango tree - not in order to be a mango tree. Likewise, believers bear fruits of the Spirit because they are saved - not in order to be a believer or to be saved.

Thank you.

We are almost in common.

The only thing is even a perfect, sinless character is inevitable, as the fruit of putting our faith in Christ, genuine faith, but sinning is also inevitable, for we still are in this sinful bodies and still fall short of God's glory.

Remember 1 Corinthians 13:2, love is greater than faith, and perfect faith, genuine faith is useless if we have no love (agape).

We might have great faith in Christ, but at the same time are a man of anger, a selfish man as according to 1 Corinthians 13:2.

"For we know in part, and we prophesy in part", we fall short of the glory of God, our love is stained with self.

Therefore, if sinless perfect character is inevitable, so does sinning, there is no guarantee, and thus, it is the grace of God that saved us through faith. We are justified for eternal life no matter our condition, no matter our achievement, because we all fall short of the glory of God and this faith, this Spirit resides in our sinful nature.

I believe that justification for eternal life has been done at the cross, what God's need from us is JUST our faith in Christ, not our achievement, for God's knew what we are and what we will be despite of our faith in Christ, genuine faith.

Thanks for sharing your comments

Are people born again selfish and sinning? What do the following passages teach about it:


Is Peter describing newborn believers as people who are selfish and sinning?


If Jesus secured our justification on the cross why, then, does Paul say the following: Jesus "was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification (Rom 4:25)." "For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised: and if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins. Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished (1 Cor 15:16-18)."

James 4:17 - Therefore to him that knoweth how to do good and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

This sin is inevitable, because we all fall short of the glory of God.



Objectively, Christ has secured justification at the cross, there is many bible Scriptures to proof it. But I like the best - Romans 3:23 for all have sinned and come short of the glory of God, 24 being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus.

I think His redemption means his dead and rise of the death, if he did not rise, there is no redemption. So, even all had been done and paid at the cross, but to complete his redemption, he must be raised.

Subjectively, we need to accept this justification through faith in Christ. So, He needs to be raised in order he might justify those who believe Him.

"The people who are at war with the law of the great Jehovah, who consider it a special virtue to talk, and write, and act the most bitter and hateful things to show their contempt for that law, may make a high and exalted profession of love to God, and apparently have much religious zeal, as did the Jewish chief priests and elders; yet in the day of God, “Found wanting” will be said by the Majesty of heaven. By the law is the knowledge of sin. The mirror which would discover to them the defects in their character, infuriates them, because it points out their sins. But the people who profess to keep the law of God, he corrects, he reproves. He points out their sins, and lays open their iniquities, because he wishes to separate all sin and wickedness from them, that they may perfect holiness in his fear, and be prepared either to die in the Lord, or to be translated to heaven. God will rebuke, reprove, and correct them, that they may be refined, sanctified, elevated, and finally exalted to his own throne. {RH September 7, 1886, par. 8}
Ample provisions have been made for all who sincerely, earnestly, and thoughtfully set about perfecting holiness in the fear of God. Power and strength, grace and glory, have been provided through Christ, to be brought by ministering angels to the heirs of salvation. None are so low, and corrupt, and vile, but that they can find in Jesus, who died for them, strength, purity, and righteousness, if they will put away their sins, stop their course of iniquity, and turn with full purpose of heart to the living God. He is waiting to strip them of their garments, stained and polluted by sin, and to put upon them the white, bright robes of righteousness; and he bids them live and not die. In him they may flourish. Their branches will not wither nor be fruitless. If they abide in him, they can draw sap and nourishment from him, be imbued with his Spirit, and walk even as he has walked, overcome as he has overcome, and be exalted to his own right hand. {RH September 7, 1886, par. 9}

Does this sound like it happens after death? The garments of Christs Righteousness is available to everyone right now. He took the sin stained garments and put on His robe, why? So we continue to sin?

You continually prove who you listen to.

The devil is the one who says God cannot cleans us from sin in this life.

If sinning is inevitable, unavoidable what good is salvation? We need help now. If Jesus cannot empower us to be kind and loving and patient at all times, under all circumstances what good is belief? "The devils also believe and tremble." I refuse to believe Jesus is powerless to "save to the uttermost". He promises, "Go and sin no more." I thrive on what John wrote. "Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not."

I agree with you that "Christ did not yield up His life till He had accomplished the work which He came to do" {DA 758}. He tasted, consumed, conquered our sin and second death. Then He laid down His life and took it up. In so doing, He didn't add to the work He accomplished on the cross. Jesus died and rose to prove, demonstrate His victory and ownership of sin and the keys of hell and of death. Had He remained in the grave, His life and death would not have saved a single soul.

Well said, Mike. I'm with you. If I believed even for a second that God was unable, that He was powerless, to remove sin from my life and heart before the day of transfiguration, I would give up and die. I simply cannot understand why Christian sinners would desire to cling to their sins so much as to accept a belief that it is impossible for them to depart from them. Jesus has shown us by example that it is indeed possible to live without sin. He has commanded us to cease from sinning. If He had given us a command that were impossible to follow, what kind of God would we be serving?

The God I serve has power against sin that waits for nothing or no one. It is ready to be exercised the instant we come to Him.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.