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Re: Are the Writings of Ellen G White Inspired by God? [Re: Johann] #146745
11/09/12 02:30 PM
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Jesus could have prevented the flaws, discrepancies in the Bible but He chose not to. He allowed them. Thus, they are inspired. No part of the Bible is uninspired.

The SOP was necessary to guide the SDA Church; otherwise, Jesus would not have employed Ellen White to share His thoughts. To say the SOP is not necessary is to say Jesus erred. No one has arrived at all 28 Fundamental Beliefs on their own without the guidance of the SOP.

Re: Are the Writings of Ellen G White Inspired by God? [Re: Mountain Man] #146756
11/09/12 10:46 PM
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Very well put brother, Amen.


Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
Re: Are the Writings of Ellen G White Inspired by God? [Re: Johann] #146762
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Originally Posted By: Johann
Ellen White rejected a book of doctrines based on her writings


Yes she did, but if she was not to used in deciding the truth then why would God send her? Why did He inspire here to write over 5 times as much information than what is provided in scripture? God knew we would need her writings to be prepared and to have ample support in seeing who is truly inspired in the end.

You have heard of the "seven thunders" of Rev? God showed her what those thunders were. God gave a prophet to see it first through John, He gave a prophet in Mrs White to understand what they were, and a people in the last days to receive the fulfillment of the seven thunders.

These things were not written by John in the bible for a reason. They were not completely written out by Mrs White in the Spirit of prophecy either, but just enough evidence is given to look for it's fulfillment by God's people in the last days IF YOU HAVE RECEIVED THE PREPARATION OF THE SPIRIT OF PROPHECY!


Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
Re: Are the Writings of Ellen G White Inspired by God? [Re: Elle] #146763
11/09/12 11:24 PM
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Originally Posted By: Elle
Let say we are in the time of Jeremiah 28 faced with two prophet claiming to speak for the Lord. How would a person know which of the prophet -- Hananiah or Jeremiah -- was inspired and speaking the will of the Lord?

We all know the outcome of what happened after that incidence and whose word came to pass. Despite, we should be able to know if a prophet is inspired or not without this information. Deut 13:2 says, that even if "the sign or the wonder come to pass" that this is not the indication of a true prophet.

By knowing the important determination that the Lord wants us to use to test a prophet is the crux.

As an exercise -- How can we tell which prophet in Jeremiah 28 is inspired?


This is what Deuteronomy 13:2 says Sister, "and if the sign or wonder spoken of takes place, and the prophet says, “Let us follow other gods” (gods you have not known) “and let us worship them, 3 you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. The Lord your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul.”

You are being tested.


Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
Re: Are the Writings of Ellen G White Inspired by God? [Re: Colin] #146770
11/10/12 01:21 AM
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Basically, since all messengers of God were verbally inspired, and it is by personal conviction that it is recognised, so that's how we assemble for worship of Jesus as a church: personal conviction.

Yes, we can explain it, but we are personally convicted by the Spirit of Jesus.

Did I say that underlined part?? shocked

No, indeed it is not like that, but thoughts that were inspired! grin

Re: Are the Writings of Ellen G White Inspired by God? [Re: Colin] #146778
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It's OK Brother. I laughed when I saw your last response. :0


Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
Re: Are the Writings of Ellen G White Inspired by God? [Re: Colin] #146779
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I hear it in the form of words some times. So you were right about some of the Prophecies. They did hear words sometimes.

Samuel was a child and He heard the still small voice call his name.

Those at the Baptism of Jesus who were not considered prophets exactly but were being prepared by the Spirit of Prophecy to receive the truth, heard the voice of God the Father speak. The others heard an earthquake. etc.

So you should not be embarrassed Colin.


Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
Re: Are the Writings of Ellen G White Inspired by God? [Re: jamesonofthunder] #146780
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Originally Posted By: jamesonofthunder
Originally Posted By: Elle
Let say we are in the time of Jeremiah 28 faced with two prophet claiming to speak for the Lord. How would a person know which of the prophet -- Hananiah or Jeremiah -- was inspired and speaking the will of the Lord?

We all know the outcome of what happened after that incidence and whose word came to pass. Despite, we should be able to know if a prophet is inspired or not without this information. Deut 13:2 says, that even if "the sign or the wonder come to pass" that this is not the indication of a true prophet.

By knowing the important determination that the Lord wants us to use to test a prophet is the crux.

As an exercise -- How can we tell which prophet in Jeremiah 28 is inspired?


This is what Deuteronomy 13:2 says Sister, "and if the sign or wonder spoken of takes place, and the prophet says, “Let us follow other gods” (gods you have not known) “and let us worship them, 3 you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. The Lord your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul.”

You are being tested.

??? Deut 13;2 says the signs of this [false]prophet that is leading you away from the Lord did come to pass. The sign is not an indication of whether this person is inspired or not. It is true that a true prophet's sign will come to pass, but for most, they wouldn't be able to see it fulfill in their lifetime. The point is, since Deut 13:2 says that false prophet's sign can also come to pass, so we shouldn't be looking for fulfillments of signs as an indication if a prophet is inspired or not.

James, can you answer the question? How can you tell which prophet is inspired?

I really doubt you can and I doubt that anyone on this forum can. I wouldn't of been able to tell either when I was presented this. It showed me how little I knew the law(Torah) and the testimony(manner of keeping it) from which to test all prophets or doctrines.

This is how the house of Judah failed the test which for the majority it cost them their life for they couldn't tell that Jeremiah was actually talking in the manner of the Law. They followed the prophet that talked of the manner of "another god that they hast not known"(in the time of the wilderness experience with Moses). It is only by knowing the Torah that anyone can discern if someone is truly speaking accordingly and is inspired or not.

Now that I have emphasized what we already should know, I'm sure you still wouldn't be able to tell us which law Jeremiah was speaking accordingly and Hananiah was not, despite knowing all the history and having the testimonies of Jesus, the disciples and Paul.

This is to prove to us all how little we know the Law(Torah) by which is the expression of the Lord's character, mind, will, and plan to save us all.


Blessings
Re: Are the Writings of Ellen G White Inspired by God? [Re: Elle] #146784
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In Deuteronomy 13:2 it is saying that if a man says "let us worship other god's" this proves they are not prophets even if they do miracles.

Now do you get it?

You are using scripture out of context.


Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
Re: Are the Writings of Ellen G White Inspired by God? [Re: Elle] #146785
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If they speak not according to these words then there is no light in them.


Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
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