God says that He will execute judgment and justice. God says that He will cause the death of those who hate Him.



Why does God say He will do this, APL? If Satan were actually the one doing it, would that not make God a liar? Would you represent Satan as being the one doing that which God has done? Do you think this would be a correct representation? Do you accept that God kills?

As a child, I memorized the entire chapter from which the following three verses are extracted. God LOVES judgment--which will include the preservation of the righteous and the removal of the wicked.



It is to be noted that the righteous will speak of judgment. It is no sin to talk about the judgment.



David knew and wrote of the truth. I accept the full Word of God in believing it.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

No - it is your interpretation of the scripture. You have chosen one way to view scripture, as I use to, and you can not see another possibility. I'll give another example from scripture, then I drop this thread as I see no use in continuing.
Deuteronomy 32:22-30
22 My anger will flame up like fire and burn everything on earth. It will reach to the world below and consume the roots of the mountains.
23 " 'I will bring on them endless disasters and use all my arrows against them. [who will bring on endless disasters?]
24 They will die from hunger and fever; they will die from terrible diseases. I will send wild animals to attack them, and poisonous snakes to bite them. [who will send the wild animals?]
25 War will bring death in the streets; terrors will strike in the homes. Young men and young women will die; neither babies nor old people will be spared.
26 I would have destroyed them completely, so that no one would remember them. [who has destroyed them?]
27 But I could not let their enemies boast that they had defeated my people, when it was I myself who had crushed them.'
28 "Israel is a nation without sense; they have no wisdom at all.
29 They fail to see why they were defeated; they cannot understand what happened. [what did they fail to see?]
30 Why were a thousand defeated by one, and ten thousand by only two? The LORD, their God, had abandoned them; their mighty God had given them up. [HOW did God bring on all this disaster?]

Did the judgements of God come directly from Him? NO. As it said in GC-36, God is not the executioner, but He leaves people to themselves, to reap the natural results of SIN.

How does God execute judgement? Satan is the liar. Isaiah 5:20 Woe to them that call evil good, and good evil.
I have no problem talking about the judgement, know how God is involved.

I'll pray for you brother.

Hi everyone, I haven't been here for a long time but have come back to ask some questions and then saw this topic. God asks us to reason with Him concerning our sins and of coarse everything else. So I reason things through with Him and have understood something that may help in this discussion.

Point one of several: God is love. Would God, who is the very essence meaning and expression of love create evil? I say no and will explain shortly. But let's say He did; So God who is love creates evil, what does evil do? It destroys life, spreads selfishness and hate and is a constant reminder to God of how bad a choice He made in creating evil. Sounds like God isn't perfect then. Why would He create evil and then tell His people not to be evil. But wait they are born evil. Sounds like God has some problems to deal with.

Let's take this a step further into insanity. Let's say that God was first evil and then created love or became love. Well hold on a second, evil would never create love, because it would be creating it's own demise or death. Evil likes to inflict evil but does not want to be the recipient of evil. So evil would never create love and if that is true then why would love create evil?

When we read that God creates evil it is not saying He created it, it means that He is permitting it. After all God's will is not being done here as it is in heaven. If He didn't create(originate) it the why would He create it? (sounds confusing I know)

Evil only comes by the lack of love just as darkness comes by the lack of light and death comes by the lack of life.

1 John 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

While God does send judgments on the wicked and will send them again in the future, it is evil to those who are the recipients of the judgments but to God and His people it is justice. God is not raging in anger because He has no pleasure in the death of the wicked and always want them to repent so they can be saved.

Saying that God created evil is saying that God created sin and that is very wrong.

Normal - if you do not Love God, will He then kill you? What causes the death of a sinner? God?

There question you ask is based on an error. God does not kill anyone because they don't love Him. Christ came to reveal the love of God to a dying world a world that is destined to extinction and He offers us a way out so that if we chose, we can escape the 2nd death and live for ever. What a merciful God, what a cost to Him to have provided us with such a loving offer when He could have just let us die.

When Jesus returns the wicked, those who refused to be saved, will be destroyed by the brightness of His coming, this is clearly written in the Bible.

After the time of reviewing the cases of men and angels and meeting out their judgment with Christ, the new Jerusalem will come down to this earth. (after the 1000 years) Then every knee will bow and the wicked will then acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord. Shortly after that Satan will tempt them to overtake the New Jerusalem but God will appear and then fire will comes down from heaven and devour them.

Everyone will have had a chance and choice to accept God's Son and live or reject Him and die. God is only giving us all that we have chosen. Proverbs 8:36 But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.

Norman

Ah, but Norman, if you have read others that post here, they say that it is God that inflicts the punishment in the end. God kills the sinner. That sin is not the cause of the death of a sinner, but God is. That God the Father EXECUTED Christ in order to pay the penalty of sin. I agree, that the glory that gives life to the righteous, will slay the wicked.

APL,

How is it that you agree that the glory that gives life to the righteous will slay the wicked? Is that glory "sin?" You have always held to its being "sin" that kills the wicked heretofore. I don't understand. What is this "glory" you speak of?

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

How is it that the righteous can live in God's glory? Obviously that glory is not cause of death to those free of sin. So what kills the unrighteous? Sin. Isaiah 33:14-15 The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness has surprised the hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings? 15 He that walks righteously, and speaks uprightly; he that despises the gain of oppressions, that shakes his hands from holding of bribes, that stops his ears from hearing of blood, and shuts his eyes from seeing evil; To sin, wherever found, "our God is a consuming fire." Hebrews 12:29. In all who submit to His power the Spirit of God will consume sin. But if men cling to sin, they become identified with it. Then the glory of God, which destroys sin, must destroy them. Jacob, after his night of wrestling with the Angel, exclaimed, "I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved." Genesis 32:30. Jacob had been guilty of a great sin in his conduct toward Esau; but he had repented. His transgression had been forgiven, and his sin purged; therefore he could endure the revelation of God's presence. But wherever men came before God while willfully cherishing evil, they were destroyed. At the second advent of Christ the wicked shall be consumed "with the Spirit of His mouth," and destroyed "with the brightness of His coming." 2 Thessalonians 2:8. The light of the glory of God, which imparts life to the righteous, will slay the wicked. {DA 107.4}

God is not the executioner. Sin kills the sinner. The same glory that imparts life in the righteous, will slay the wicked. It is the same glory. What is the difference? SIN. You must get rid of sin. If you hang onto sin, it will kill you. Christ, the Light of the world, veiled the dazzling splendor of His divinity and came to live as a man among men, that they might, without being consumed, become acquainted with their Creator. We live in a veiled, dark world.

Well, I actually agree with most of that, but it leaves one critical piece of the puzzle out of the equation: God's justice.

Why does Satan burn for "days" while some are destroyed "in a moment?" Why does having more sin mean that you live longer in God's glory?

That's the piece of the puzzle that you are not accounting for. It goes back to an error in your definitions: You have arbitrarily decided that "justice" is evil, therefore God does not execute it. But it is actually "righteous." God does no evil. He is righteous. The things He does are right and good--including punishing the wicked.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.