Have you tried 1 Chronicles?

Then in you do seem to agree in your next post. So I'm not sure why you asked such a question.

And then there's:

Let's skip the ad hominem attacks and get to the bottom of it.

"But he did not inquire of the Lord; therefore He killed him, and turned the kingdom over to David the son of Jesse."

Who is "He" and who is "him"? What saith the Lord?

These type of debate with this type of seeming contradiction which is found all over the Bible is due that we do not understand the law which reveal the mind of the Lord and His ways. Both side argue their point and explain contradictions with man's interpretation. Even thought some do consolidate difficulties with man's logic, if it's not in harmony with the law than their's no light in it.

So the question is why the Lord can kill and not break His law? That's the issue that we need to answer. The typical position including SDAs to explain this is by saying that the Lord gives free choice. Because He allowed it then that's why the Lord said He killed Saul. However this explanation still does not speak according to all the Law and is not in harmony with it, therefore it is just vomit(man's interpretation). Nor does that explanation gives a valid answer why the Lord can kill and not break His law.

Why don't you guys look in the law to find your answer. That's how you seek the Lord's mind and heart and can come to really know why He said what He said.

You're getting ahead. That's not where we are yet. Before you can even ask why God can kill, you have to first determine if God kills at all.

"But he did not inquire of the Lord; therefore He killed him, and turned the kingdom over to David the son of Jesse."

The first question is: Do we accept what God said in this Scripture?

Those who deny that God killed Saul must reject this Scripture. And the next question is NOT why God can kill Saul. The next question is: Why do you reject God's word?

The problem at that point is lack of faith. And no amount of debate can fix that, because debate is for fixing lack of information, not lack of faith.

Doesn't the Bible said that He killed Saul? Isn't what you are stressing? Of course the Lord kills, and destroys, and hardens heart, and doesn't open ears to hear, and etc... just like the Lord said He did.

But the Bible says that Saul fell on his own sword....that's true too! But let us remember, It is the Lord that is Sovereign not man, and it is His plan that ends up to be executed...not man.

Isa 46:10 God will Do ALL His Pleasure (rf. Eph 1:11 & 1 Tim 2:4)
Dan 4:35 God's will done in heaven & earth, none can stop Him
Job 5:17-18 God wounds then He makes whole
Hos 6:1-2 God tears, but in the third day He heals
Deut 32:39 God kills & makes alive, He wounds but then heals
Psa 90:3 God turns man to destruction, then says return

It was in the Lord's plans that Saul did what he did to fulfill a type to foreshadow what is to come. Saul represent the Church as a type for He was made King at the Feast of Wheat(Pentecost) which represent the Church. The Church(not the first fruit) at large needs to be destroyed and be slain as they cannot repent on their own. Death in the Bible represent repentance. In this type, the Lord will kill(bring to death = repentance) Saul(the Church) by the sword(word of God).

That's why I thought I may be wrong since it contradicts the first sentence.

So does that leave us with: The Bible in uninspired, God is a murderer, and God is a deceiver?

Expected translation: The Bible is inspired because it isn't, God isn't a murderer because He only intentionally kills people, and God doesn't deceive people because He tricks them into death.

That's the problem. kland seems to argue against the verse that God killed Saul. But he hasn't said it straight out yet.

Both he and APL are too busy vilifying and distorting some things I have said to walk a straight line, much less to speak straightly. They appear drunken with delusion about what I have said.

They need to eat some eggs. Otherwise, it's not God punishing them, it's them punishing themselves.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

The Bible speaks plainly. A child could understand it on this point. Elle has it right here.

But some people like to contradict God. They try to tell God that He didn't really say what He said or do what He did. They try to attribute to Satan the things which God says He did Himself. How they are able to justify this in their own minds is a mystery to me.

As the Bible says, "the heart is deceitful above all things." To be self-deceived is quite natural for the sinful mind.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

A little child interprets this to say, if you are bad, God will punish you, he will send fiery serpents to bite you! That is what the Bible says. Who are we to question the Bible? Please, let us not reason together...