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Re: Brain-damaged from Veganism, why vegans have cognitive impairment [Re: APL] #157837
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Originally Posted By: APL
The biggest issue with Green is the insistence that if people do not eat his diet, then they are brain damaged.
Thwaaackkk!

That's the sound an arrow makes hitting the bulls eye dead on!

Re: Brain-damaged from Veganism, why vegans have cognitive impairment [Re: kland] #157838
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Originally Posted By: green
I did not have the condition for an extended period of time. I was vegan for only about 7 months or so when the condition began,

Originally Posted By: kland
wow. I had no idea B12 deficiency could happen so quickly! not.
Indeed NOT!!!


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Re: Brain-damaged from Veganism, why vegans have cognitive impairment [Re: APL] #157922
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Your liver may be stronger than mine was. B12 can be stored for a couple of years in some individuals or as little as six months in others. I ended up on the short end of the continuum. But for many vegans, their natural intake of folate and/or folic acid will prevent the symptoms of the B12 deficiency and they will not realize they are deficient so soon.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: Brain-damaged from Veganism, why vegans have cognitive impairment [Re: Green Cochoa] #157929
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But you were never tested to see what you really had... But I'm glad you have found a solution to your problem. But your problem does not equate to everyone else.

p.s., have you updated your facts on cancer and vegans yet?


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Re: Brain-damaged from Veganism, why vegans have cognitive impairment [Re: APL] #157976
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Solution to his problem?

But WAS his problem?!

Re: Brain-damaged from Veganism, why vegans have cognitive impairment [Re: kland] #161538
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http://www.secretsunsealed.org/en-us/resources/healtharticles.aspx

What about Eggs?

Only three eggs per week is enough to cause significant atherosclerotic plaque build up in your arteries leading to strokes, heart attacks, bypass surgeries and death.

No one who wants to preserve their health should eat eggs according to these leading medical specialists.

One large egg has 275mg of cholesterol.

Eating eggs is a very dangerous thing to do.

Compared to men who ate no eggs those who ate less than one egg per day had a 200% increase in the spread of their prostate cancer.

"Cancers, tumors, and all inflammatory diseases are largely caused by meat eating" Counsels on diet and foods, p. 388.

But, apparently choline does the same thing!

So not only are eggs bad for your heart, but as far as cancer is concerned, eating eggs is the same as eating red meat!

People who eat just one and a half eggs per week will have five times as much colon cancer than those who eat less than one egg per month. That is a 500% increase in colon cancer with only one and a half eggs per week! And, moderate egg consumption triples the risk of bladder cancer. Eating eggs is a very high-risk activity!

People who eat one egg per day increase their risk of death by 25%, but diabetics who eat one egg per day have a 200% increased risk of death. So, eating eggs can give you diabetes, but if you are already a diabetic eating eggs is really dangerous!

These viruses can infect eggs. A recent random sample from 250 different sources collected from grocery stores showed 14% of the eggs to be infected with these viruses.

The time will come when we may have to discard some of the articles of diet we now use, such as milk and cream and eggs

As disease in animals increases, the use of milk and eggs will become more and more unsafe.

Tell them that the time will soon come when there will be no safety in using eggs, milk, cream, or butter, because disease in animals is increasing

I wish to say that when the time comes that it is no longer safe to use milk, cream, butter, and eggs, God will reveal this.

Is the abundant scientific light now shining on this topic God's way of revealing this?

Again and again I have been shown that God is trying to lead us back, step by step, to His original design,-- that man should subsist upon the natural products of the earth. Vegetables, fruits, and grains should compose our diet.


Re: Brain-damaged from Veganism, why vegans have cognitive impairment [Re: Green Cochoa] #162140
02/21/14 08:17 AM
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Here's a little piece from the CDC on B12 deficiency.

Originally Posted By: CDC (Course WB1349)
Introduction

Vitamin B12 (cobalamin) deficiency should be on your radar screen for several reasons. Prevention, early detection, and treatment of vitamin B deficiency are important public health issues, because they are essential to prevent development of irreversible neurologic damage which can impact quality of life. Although most health care providers already recognize the occasional person who presents with obvious signs and symptoms, they are far less likely to screen and diagnose the majority of patients who have a subclinical or mildly symptomatic vitamin B12 deficiency. Vitamin B12 deficiency is more common among older adults than many health care providers realize. Unpublished analysis at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) of laboratory data from community- based samples of U.S. adults 51 years of age or older suggest about 1 (3.2%) of every 31 persons have serum vitamin B12 levels below 200 picograms per milliliter (pg/mL).

Vitamin B12 has profound effects on human health. Adequate body stores are essential for several crucial neurologic and hematologic functions. Delays in the diagnosis and treatment of vitamin B12 deficiencies can lead to development of severe, irreversible neurologic damage.

The clinical importance of vitamin B12 was established over 50 years ago, when ingesting raw animal liver (the primary storage organ for vitamin B12) was found to be an effective treatment for pernicious anemia. Research has shown that the water-soluble vitamin B12 is required for the completion of several biochemical processes (see Figure 1).

The following five top things to remember about vitamin B12 in primary care practice summarize the implications of these and other cobalamin-related findings.

Vitamin B12 Deficiency

The top five things to remember about vitamin B12
  1. Vitamin B12 deficiencies occur in adults 51 years of age or older at a frequency of 1 (3.2%) in every 31 persons, and manifest as serum vitamin B12 levels below the cutpoint of 200 picograms per milliliter.
  2. All patients with unexplained hematologic or neurologic signs or symptoms should be evaluated for a vitamin B12 deficiency. If found, the cause should should be determined.
  3. Today, megaloblastic anemia is most likely due to vitamin B12 deficiency and needs prompt evaluation. In the United States, folic acid fortification has made folate deficient megaloblastic anemia a very rare condition.
  4. Although the body’s ability to absorb naturally occurring vitamin B12 decreases with age, most people can readily use the synthetic form of cobalamin.
  5. All people 51 years of age or older should get most of their daily vitamin B12 through supplements containing vitamin B12 or foods fortified with vitamin B12.


So, doctors are now learning that "Delays in the diagnosis and treatment of vitamin B12 deficiencies can lead to development of severe, irreversible neurologic damage."

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: Brain-damaged from Veganism, why vegans have cognitive impairment [Re: Green Cochoa] #162141
02/21/14 08:34 AM
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If you click on the link I provided as the source of the quote in my post above, you will see the full PDF of lecture material for doctors on this subject. A portion of the test given those doctors following the course is provided below, for those of you who would like to outclass the medical professionals. wink

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

Which of the following presenting symptoms suggest this patient might have a vitamin B12 deficiency?
single choice
Votes accepted starting: 02/21/14 08:20 AM
All of the following factors might place this patient at high risk for a vitamin B12 deficiency except:
single choice
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You might find ______ patients with evidence of low vitamin B12 levels in every 100 patients you see. (Hint: Use prevalence data from the research literature to determine your answer.)
single choice
Votes accepted starting: 02/21/14 08:23 AM
What can you conclude from the CBC with smear results about the likelihood that this patient has a vitamin B12 deficiency?
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Votes accepted starting: 02/21/14 08:25 AM
You obtain a serum B12 level. Her results are: Serum B12 211 (211-911) pg/mL ... What does this patient’s serum B12 result suggest?
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Votes accepted starting: 02/21/14 08:29 AM
Re: Brain-damaged from Veganism, why vegans have cognitive impairment [Re: Green Cochoa] #162143
02/21/14 08:46 AM
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While the CDC apparently thinks only about 3% of people are deficient in vitamin B12, Dr. Mercola puts that figure at 25%. His article is well worth reading, so I'm copying it in below.

By Dr. Mercola

Vitamin B12, or rather a lack thereof, has been called the "canary in the coalmine" for your future brain health, and recent research has bolstered the importance of this vitamin in keeping your mind sharp as you age.

According to the latest research, people with high levels of markers for vitamin B12 deficiency were more likely to score lower on cognitive tests, as well as have a smaller total brain volume, which suggests a lack of the vitamin may lead to brain shrinkage.

This issue is of paramount importance for many of you reading this for two reasons:

  1. Vitamin B12 deficiency is very widespread
  2. Your blood level of vitamin B12 is not an adequate marker of whether or not you're deficient, making vitamin B12 deficiency easy to miss

What is Vitamin B12?

Vitamin B12 is a powerhouse micronutrient often known as the "energy vitamin" because it assists in energy production.

Your body relies on the efficient conversion of carbohydrates to glucose -- your body's source of fuel -- to run smoothly, and vitamin B12 plays a major role in that conversion. B12 also enables your body to convert fatty acids into energy. Further, your B12 level impacts a number of very important functions in your body, including:

Carbohydrate and fat metabolism Healthy nervous system function Promotion of normal nerve growth and development
Help with regulation of the formation of red blood cells Cell formation and longevity Proper circulation
Adrenal hormone production Healthy immune system function Support of female reproductive health and pregnancy
Feelings of well-being and mood regulation Mental clarity, concentration, memory function Physical, emotional and mental energy

Problems with Memory, Brain Function Top Signs of Vitamin B12 Deficiency

Mental fogginess and problems with memory are two of the top warning signs that you have vitamin B12 deficiency, and this is indicative of its importance for your brain health.  

In addition to the latest Neurology study, which found more signs of shrinkage of brain tissue among those with low vitamin B12, a Finnish study published in Neurology last year found that people who consume foods rich in B12 may reduce their risk of Alzheimer's in their later years. For each unit increase in the marker of vitamin B12 (holotranscobalamin) the risk of developing Alzheimer's was reduced by 2 percent. Research also shows that supplementing with B vitamins, including B12, helps to slow brain atrophy in elderly people with mild cognitive impairment (brain atrophy is a well-established characteristic of Alzheimer's disease).

What Causes B12 Deficiency?

Vitamin B12 is the largest vitamin that we know of. Because of its large size, it is not easily absorbed passively like most supplements. Because of this, many, if not most oral B12 supplements are worthless and do NOT work. Vitamin B12 requires a complex system in your body involving intrinsic factor to bind to it so it can be actively absorbed in the end of your small intestine (terminal ileum). As you grow older the ability to produce intrinsic factor decreases and cause a deficiency state.

Studies from the U.S. Framingham trial show one in four adults are deficient in vitamin B12, and nearly half the population has suboptimal blood levels. If you eat an all vegetarian or vegan diet, vitamin B12 is one of the nutrients your body is most likely deficient in, as it is naturally present in foods that come from animals, including meat, fish, eggs, milk and milk products. However, there are many other causes of B12 deficiency as well, including:

  • Food-Cobalamin Malabsorption Syndrome: This condition results when your stomach lining loses its ability to produce intrinsic factor, a protein that binds to vitamin B12 and allows your body to absorb it into your bloodstream at the furthest point of your small intestine.

    Intrinsic factor is a protein made by your stomach. It grabs onto the B12 molecule and together they move through your stomach to your small intestine. When they reach the end of your small intestine, the intrinsic factor is absorbed first, pulling the B12 with it into the cells of your large intestine, where they are absorbed for use by the rest of your body.

  • Increasing Age: Intrinsic factor diminishes as you age, and this means it's virtually impossible to get B12 from your diet. This also means the older you get, the more likely you will need to supplement B12.
  • Use of the drug metformin for Type 2 diabetes: Use of metformin (brand names include Glucophage, Glucophage XR, Fortamet, Riomet, and Glumetza) may inhibit your B12 absorption, especially at higher doses.
  • Coffee consumption: Four or more cups of coffee a day can reduce your B vitamin stores by as much as 15 percent.
  • Use of antacids: The use of antacids or anti-ulcer drugs will lower your stomach acid secretion and decrease your ability to absorb vitamin B12. Stomach acid (hydrochloric acid) is a crucial ingredient in your body's ability to absorb B12. If you're taking a medication specifically designed to reduce the amount of stomach acid you produce, your body's ability to use vitamin B12 from the food you eat or the supplements you take will be significantly compromised.
  • Gastric bypass surgery
  • Exposure to nitrous oxide (laughing gas)

Why a Blood Test May Not be Enough to Detect Deficiency

Blood tests for vitamin B12 deficiency aren't as clear cut or helpful as they are for other nutritional deficiencies. Standard tests to assess vitamin B12 concentrations are limited because the clinical severity of vitamin B12 deficiency is unrelated to vitamin B12 concentrations. As researchers concluded in Neurology:

"Concentrations of all vitamin B12-related markers, but not serum vitamin B12 itself, were associated with global cognitive function and with total brain volume."

So generally speaking, you can use the following recommendations to screen for vitamin B12 deficiency:

  • If your vitamin B12 concentration is less than 150 pmol/L, you are considered B12 deficient and you and your health care practitioner should take steps to determine the underlying cause(s) and treatment.
  • If your B12 concentration is between 150 and 200 pmol/L, your serum MMA (Methylmalonic Acid) level should be determined to identify whether your situation requires more investigation and treatment. Research suggests elevated levels of MMA (a natural compound found in your body) are an indicator for vitamin B12 deficiency.

However, if you suspect or are concerned you are vitamin B12 deficient, a more practical option may be to simply supplement your diet with B12 and see if your symptoms improve.

B12 is available in its natural form only in animal food sources. These include seafood, beef, chicken, pork, milk, eggs. If you don't consume enough of these animal products (and I don't recommend consuming seafood unless you know it is from a pure water source) to get an adequate supply of B12, or if your body's ability to absorb the vitamin from food is compromised, vitamin B12 supplementation is completely non-toxic and inexpensive, especially when compared to the cost of laboratory testing.

In fact, the first treatment most doctors and other health care experts will suggest upon receiving B12 deficiency lab test results is supplementation with vitamin B12. I recommend either an under-the-tongue fine mist spray, as this technology helps you absorb it into the fine capillaries under your tongue. This delivery system bypasses the intrinsic factor problem and is much easier, safer and less painful than having your doctor inject you with a vitamin B12 shot.

Signs and Symptoms to Watch For

Besides the above-mentioned mental fogginess and memory problems, there are actually a wide range of symptoms of vitamin B12 deficiency, from mild to severe, which can affect your body, mind and mood. In general, the signs are:

  • Fatigue, lack of energy, muscle weakness, tingling in your extremities
  • Mental fogginess or problems with your memory, trouble sleeping
  • Mood swings, especially feelings of apathy or lack of motivation
Depression Dementia and Alzheimer's
Anemia Neurological and Neuropsychiatric conditions
Female fertility and childbearing problems Heart disease and cancer

Other symptoms of long-term, chronic B12 deficiency are included in the chart above. Even though vitamin B12 is water-soluble, it doesn't exit your body quickly like other water-soluble vitamins. B12 is stored in your liver, kidneys and other body tissues, and as a result, a deficiency may not show itself for a number of years until you finally run out of this naturally stored internal source of the vitamin.

This time lag in seeing symptoms of a B12 deficiency is a serious concern, because after about seven years of deficiency, irreversible brain damage can potentially result. So if you are suffering from any of the symptoms above it makes sense to take steps to increase your levels to protect your long-term brain, and overall, health.

IMPORTANT B12 Summary: Please Remember…

If you believe you need a vitamin B12 supplement, don't hesitate to take one. They are very safe and there are virtually no known side effects. However, avoid oral B12 supplements as they will not be easily absorbed. You can take an injection or do a far easier sublingual (under your tongue) spray that allows the large B12 structure to bypass your intestine and be absorbed directly into your blood stream, allowing you to benefit immediately.  


Blessings,

Green Cochoa.



We can receive of heaven's light only as we are willing to be emptied of self. We can discern the character of God, and accept Christ by faith, only as we consent to the bringing into captivity of every thought to the obedience of Christ. And to all who do this, the Holy Spirit is given without measure. In Christ "dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in Him." [Colossians 2:9, 10.] {GW 57.1} -- Ellen White.
Re: Brain-damaged from Veganism, why vegans have cognitive impairment [Re: APL] #189866
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Originally Posted by APL
Look at the title of this thread to get Green's bias. Green has stated and to my knowledge not retracted his claim that vegans have higher the incidence of cervical cancer. Yet the only real study to look at vegans and female cancers including cervical cancer shows a decrease incidence. Does green even know what the cause of cervical cancer is?

EGW was balanced on the subject.

I just ran across this post again, and thought I'd try a more careful search on Google. This still did not turn up the original facts I had seen relative to vegans, but it shows findings from the EPIC-Oxford study, published in The British Journal of Cancer (2009), demonstrating the trend in cervical cancer rates from meat eaters (1.00), to pescatarians (2.05), then to vegetarians (2.08), whom I would assume in this statistic to be of the lacto-ovo variety.

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Table 22. Risk for Cervical Cancer
StudyYearsRisk and Confidence IntervalAdjustmentsNotes
EPIC-Oxford141993-2006
Non-Vega1.00
Vegetarians 2.08 (1.05, 4.12)
Pescob2.05 (  .91, 4.63)
age, gender, smoking, alcohol, BMI, physical activity, parity, oral contraceptives, method of recruitmentIncidence
aExcluding those who ate no meat other than fish.
bAte no meat other than fish.
14. Key TJ, Appleby PN, Spencer EA, Travis RC, Allen NE, Thorogood M, Mann JI. Cancer incidence in British vegetarians. Br J Cancer. 2009 Jul 7;101(1):192-7. Epub 2009 Jun 16.




Blessings,

Green Cochoa.


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