Many desire the final reward and victory which are to be given to overcomers, but are not willing to endure toil, privation, and denial of self, as did their Redeemer. It is only through obedience and continual effort that we shall overcome as Christ overcame. (CD 59)

If we are indeed to overcome as Christ overcame, that we may mingle with the blood-washed, glorified company before the throne of God, it is of the highest importance that we become acquainted with the life of our Redeemer and deny self as did Christ. We must meet temptations and overcome obstacles, and through toil and suffering, in the name of Jesus, overcome as He overcame. (CON 66)

Let it be the language of our hearts, "Be Thou my pattern." He that "willeth to do His will, he shall know of the teaching." Nothing is so desirable as to live as Christ lived, to deny self as Christ denied Himself, and to labor with Him in seeking to save that which is lost. {TM 178.2}

Let every church-member deny self as Christ denied himself. {RH, September 27, 1906 par. 22}

To be a Christian is to be Christlike,--to learn of him daily, to work as he worked, to deny self as he denied himself. Jesus lived not to please himself, and his disciples must follow his example. {ST, November 20, 1884 par. 5}

Let us learn what it means to deny self as Christ denied self. {2SAT 319.2}

Some people believe Jesus, while here in sinful flesh, did not have to resist the unholy clamorings of self. They believe He was free of self.

Jesus had to deny self just like a born-again believer. Why? Because His sinful flesh nature tempted Him from within in the same way it tempts us from within. Jesus could say, "I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members"(Rom 7:23). He had "lusts that war in your members" (Jam 4:1). "The motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death" (Rom 7:5). Like us, He had to "abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul" (1 Peter 2:11).

None of those quotes say that Jesus had unholy clamorings. Deny self? Yes. Unholy desires? No.

True, He had to deny self. But it is not true that His denial was just like ours.

The real difficulty arises from the corruption of an unsanctified heart, and an unwillingness to submit to the control of God. – {COL 331.2}

That's our difficulty. Do you believe that Jesus had an unsanctified heart? I don't.

Jesus had difficulty in walking His path, but it was not the same difficulty we have. Perhaps the same degree, but not the same direction.

It was as difficult for Him to keep the level of humanity as for men to rise above the low level of their depraved natures and be partakers of the divine nature. – {Con 85.1}

In what sense, then, did Jesus deny self?

By leaving the safety and security of heaven and taking up the cross and letting sinful men take His life is a pretty powerful denial of "self". By coming down to this snake pit. Your ignorance of this is astounding Mt Man. I thought you were more advanced than this.

It's like you want to argue that Jesus wanted to have a wife or eat like a glutton or get drunk or something. He NEVER had those desires. He knew who He was, and He was born with the Character of His Father in the form of sinful flesh, not with carnal desires.

Luke 9: 22 The Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be slain, and be raised the third day.

23 And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.

24 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it.

25 For what is a man advantaged, if he gain the whole world, and lose himself, or be cast away?

26 For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father's, and of the holy angels.

Jesus did not shy away from the persecution He was to endure at the hands of men who were ordained to be priests of His own faith. Can you imagine ordaining a religion that points to your death and having to subject yourself to their abuse?

He came to save them and they killed Him for it! This is the hardest lesson in faith. If you HAVE FAITH you WILL BE PERSECTED INSIDE THE CHURCH! It was not being rejected outside of the faith that was painful for Him, it was those inside who denied Him that caused Him the most pain until the Father cut Him off.

I have in a limited sense experienced this inside the SDA church for 20 years almost every day after being led to the Sabbath and receiving miracles and visions.

This is not something I love about the faith of Jesus. But even He "dispised the shame" (Hebrews 12:2) and He has grace and mercy for my learning what He himself found so hard.

He took upon His sinless nature our sinful nature, that He might know how to succor those that are tempted.—Medical Ministry, 181.{7ABC 450.5}

Jesus was perfectly spotless in His character, never once yielding to sin in though or action.

First He was tempted in every way that men could be tempted but this was not the worst part. He actually walked in our shoes in Gethsemane. He literally entered into our hearts and vicariously experienced the foulness of our sins, taking them upon Himself like He did them Himself so He could bear the wrath of God for us.

This is how He denied Himself in the most extreem way.

"He is a brother in our infirmities, “in all points tempted like as we are;” but as the sinless one His nature recoiled from evil; He endured struggles and torture of soul in a world of sin. {SC 93.4}

I was praying and received a powerful message for Brother Mt Man in the Spirit of Remembrance who cause me to see this text and find it in second while looking. VERY POWERFULLY PRESENTED FOR YOU BROTHER.

You should pay very close attention to these words because your view of the human nature of Christ is flawed. Many poeple here could learn from these words.





This is perfect truth and needful of careful contemplation.