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Re: Jesus denied self just like a born-again believer.
[Re: Mountain Man]
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05/02/14 05:21 PM
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Jesus came in sinful flesh to demonstrate how to grow in grace and how to mature in the fruits of the Spirit.
JESUS NEVER CAME IN SINFUL FLESH!!!!!! Never!!!! Jesus came as the second Adam. His Father never sinned and He never sinned so He was NEVER IN SINFUL FLESH! If His father had never sinned then how could Jesus inherit sinful flesh? Jesus came unfallen in the flesh, not sinful flesh. What He experienced was coming like Adam just after his creation and walking among men as one who could fall but didn't. This is so vitally important that I am continually warned to comment about your flagrant ineptitude for comprehending this truth.
Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
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Re: Jesus denied self just like a born-again believer.
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05/02/14 05:31 PM
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Born-again believers duplicate Jesus' righteousness and true holiness while they are abiding in Him. ... They stand before God as did Jesus. I will have to disagree. "The religious services, the prayers, the praise, the penitent confession of sin ascend from true believers as incense to the heavenly sanctuary, but passing through the corrupt channels of humanity, they are so defiled that unless purified by blood, they can never be of value with God. They ascend not in spotless purity, and unless the Intercessor, who is at God’s right hand, presents and purifies all by His righteousness, it is not acceptable to God." {1SM 344.2} Even "true believers" fall short. Jesus never needed an external source of incense to make His offerings acceptable to God. Very good point. But Mt Man thinks that even the humanity of Jesus is included in this statement which makes absolutely no sense. He quotes all of the writings against fallen humanity as if they also represent the body of Christ. Thank you for that comment asygo, that one quote proves the point God has been prompting me to challenge Mt Man's teaching.
Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
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Re: Jesus denied self just like a born-again believer.
[Re: Mountain Man]
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05/02/14 09:46 PM
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Arnold, is the fruit of the Spirit sinful? Does it require repentance, forgiveness, and atonement?
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Re: Jesus denied self just like a born-again believer.
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05/02/14 09:54 PM
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Arnold, where in the Bible does it say "righteousness and true holiness" is sin-stained and unacceptable to God?
Psalm
19:14 Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O LORD, my strength, and my redeemer.
Proverbs
21:3 To do justice and judgment [is] more acceptable to the LORD than sacrifice.
Romans
12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, [which is] your reasonable service.
14:18 For he that in these things serveth Christ [is] acceptable to God, and approved of men.
1 Timothy
2:2 For kings, and [for] all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
2:3 For this [is] good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
5:4 But if any widow have children or nephews, let them learn first to show piety at home, and to requite their parents: for that is good and acceptable before God.
1 Peter
2:20 For what glory [is it], if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer [for it], ye take it patiently, this [is] acceptable with God.
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Re: Jesus denied self just like a born-again believer.
[Re: Mountain Man]
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05/02/14 10:51 PM
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The Bible says that "our" "righteousness" and "our" holiness are as "filthy rags". Isaiah 64:6 KJV But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags;.... This is why we need Christ's robe of righteousness.
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Re: Jesus denied self just like a born-again believer.
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05/02/14 10:54 PM
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Also, if EGW said it, I accept it, unless I see a "clear" thus saith the Lord that says differently. The religious services, the prayers, the praise, the penitent confession of sin ascend from true believers as incense to the heavenly sanctuary, but passing through the corrupt channels of humanity, they are so defiled that unless purified by blood, they can never be of value with God. They ascend not in spotless purity, and unless the Intercessor, who is at God’s right hand, presents and purifies all by His righteousness, it is not acceptable to God. {1SM 344.2}
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Re: Jesus denied self just like a born-again believer.
[Re: Mountain Man]
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05/02/14 11:14 PM
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Do any of us know of anybody who claims that they are righteous and holy and actually denies self?
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Re: Jesus denied self just like a born-again believer.
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05/02/14 11:16 PM
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Of course not, but we are sinful and require repentance, forgiveness, and atonement. Arnold, is the fruit of the Spirit sinful? Does it require repentance, forgiveness, and atonement?
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Re: Jesus denied self just like a born-again believer.
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05/02/14 11:50 PM
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For those who may not understand your use of the words "sinful flesh", can you tell us what you mean by "sinful flesh"??? Some people believe Jesus, while here in sinful flesh, did not have to resist the unholy clamorings of self. They believe He was free of self.
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Re: Jesus denied self just like a born-again believer.
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05/02/14 11:53 PM
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Arnold, is the fruit of the Spirit sinful? Does it require repentance, forgiveness, and atonement? Did Jesus require repentance, Forgiveness or atonement?
Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
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