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Re: Jesus denied self just like a born-again believer.
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05/19/14 04:20 PM
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It is Satan's constant effort to misrepresent the character of God, the nature of sin, and the real issues at stake in the great controversy. {GC 569.1}
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: Jesus denied self just like a born-again believer.
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05/19/14 04:57 PM
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He was tempted like born-again believers are tempted. They are not tempted in ways He was not tempted. Was Jesus tempted to neglect His wife? No.
By God's grace, Arnold
1 John 5:11-13 And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.
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Re: Jesus denied self just like a born-again believer.
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Was Jesus tempted to neglect His wife? No. Nothing is plainer in the Scriptures than that all the disabilities which we inherit by birth from our parents are counteracted and overcome by the birth from the Spirit. We inherit sinful dispositions. It is not the specific acts of sin that a man has committed, that will cause his everlasting destruction, so much as it is the evil nature that is in him, even if it has not manifested itself in any way that is noticeable by men. {January 12, 1899 EJW, PTUK 21.4}
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: Jesus denied self just like a born-again believer.
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Yet, you say that Jesus had this same evil nature in Him. I disagree.
By God's grace, Arnold
1 John 5:11-13 And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.
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Re: Jesus denied self just like a born-again believer.
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“There will be three classes in the resurrection. One, of „sinners condemned,‟ who have never accepted the gospel nor received pardon through Christ. The second death claims them as its own. Another class, the saints, those who have had their sins washed away by the blood of the Redeemer. Being justified, the law has no claim against their lives. „On such the second death hath no power.‟ The third class, infants, who have never sinned. Of course they are not condemned, they have done no wrong. On no principle of justice can they be condemned. Through Christ they are brought up from death, of course to die no more. They stand related to the law as the saints do; not as the saints, pardoned, but as innocents, against whom no charge can be brought. Having no sin upon them, they will die no more. That life they get through Christ as truly as do the saints. Hence they can join the everlasting song of redemption, with all the saints in glory. Had it not been for Christ they would have remained dead. For eternal life, its joys and its glory, they are as truly indebted to divine love and favour in the gospel as David, or Peter, or Paul. Thus it is easy to see that infants are saved by the gospel, but not by means of faith, repentance, and baptism. These are for sinners not for innocents.” 1878 J H Waggoner, Thoughts on Baptism 82.1
By God's grace, Arnold
1 John 5:11-13 And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.
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Re: Jesus denied self just like a born-again believer.
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05/19/14 09:04 PM
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"Christ could have done nothing during His earthly ministry in saving fallen man if the divine had not been blended with the human. The limited capacity of man cannot define this wonderful mystery—the blending of the two natures, the divine and the human. It can never be explained. Man must wonder and be silent. And yet man is privileged to be a partaker of the divine nature, and in this way he can to some degree enter into the mystery (Letter 5, 1889)."{7BC 904.5}
"Christ did not possess the same sinful, corrupt, fallen disloyalty we possess, for then he could not be a perfect offering." —Manuscript 94, 1893.{3SM 131.1}
"Be careful, exceedingly careful as to how you dwell upon the human nature of Christ. Do not set Him before the people as a man with the propensities of sin. He is the second Adam. The first Adam was created a pure, sinless being, without a taint of sin upon him; he was in the image of God. He could fall, and he did fall through transgressing. Because of sin, his posterity was born with inherent propensities of disobedience. But Jesus Christ was the only begotten Son of God. He took upon Himself human nature, and was tempted in all points as human nature is tempted. He could have sinned; He could have fallen, but not for one moment was there in Him an evil propensity. He was assailed with temptations in the wilderness, as Adam was assailed with temptations in Eden."{13MR 18.1}
All of this counsel is being disregarded by most of the people here, and this is a travesty in the name of the Lord.
Very few seem to see this subject from the divine perspective and they give Jesus all human attributes and say anyone who is against their point of view is saying Jesus could never sin.
That is the most blatant and wicked attack against truth I have found on this or any SDA website and it proves what is motivating those who keep that point of view.
If anyone can read these quotes above and not see how they harmonize with all the other quotes from Mrs White about the humanity of Christ then it would be very good counsel for those people to take a good look at their faith, because you are not being careful in how you present Jesus. That is a travesty!
Search me oh God and know my heart, test me and know my anxious thoughts, see if there is any offensive way in me and lead me to the way everlasting. Amen
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Re: Jesus denied self just like a born-again believer.
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By taking upon Himself man's nature in its fallen condition, Christ did not in the least participate in its sin. He was subject to the infirmities and weaknesses of the flesh with which humanity is encompassed, "that it might be fulfilled that was spoken by the prophet Esaias, Himself took our infirmities and bare our sicknesses." He was touched with the feeling of our infirmities, and was in all points tempted like as we are. And yet He was without a spot. {16MR 116.3}
The 13MR quote is from the Baker letter, which the whole is NOT on the EGW CD-ROM, but was published in the Review in recent times. Read the whole article. It has been discussed here before.
Travesty? Try plan of redemption!
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: Jesus denied self just like a born-again believer.
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Was Jesus tempted to neglect His wife? No. We have nothing to bear which He has not endured. If we had to bear anything which Jesus did not endure, then upon this point Satan would represent the power of God as insufficient for us.
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Re: Jesus denied self just like a born-again believer.
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Was Jesus tempted to neglect His wife? No. We have nothing to bear which He has not endured. If we had to bear anything which Jesus did not endure, then upon this point Satan would represent the power of God as insufficient for us. I know nothing of Christ's marriage.
By God's grace, Arnold
1 John 5:11-13 And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.
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Re: Jesus denied self just like a born-again believer.
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Also, Christ never had to fight a bad habit. He never was tempted to repeat a sin.
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