You are confusing the facts. He did not endure committing sin, he did not endure the results of committing sin Himself did He?

But He did endure the penalty for our sins as if He committed them Himself. He saw it all like He did do them!

Think about it for a minute... If Jesus had each one of our sins upon His head on the cross, then He has endured EVERYTHING EVERY man has EVER gone through.

"The words falling from the lips of Jesus, “Thy sins be forgiven thee” (Matthew 9:2), are worth everything to us. He saith, I have borne your sins in My own body on Calvary’s cross. He sees your sorrows."{TMK 235.4}

He entered into the hearts of every man who would ever live in Gethsemane and assumed responsibility for every one of our sins.

He did not individually walk in sinful flesh, He walked in our shoes and could claim to have endured all of our sins.

You guys keep neglecting to tie everything we are talking about to the atonement. YOU MUST SEE IT THROUGH ATONEMENT!

The sacrifice was perfect and it received the sins on it's head. Did the sacrifice commit the sin? No. It assumed the sin as its own. Did the High priest commit the sin? No but he heard the confession and carried the burden to the throne.

You keep quoting texts out of context. Was He tempted? YES! But He also bore our sins on His head.

"Behold his ignominy, his agony in Gethsemane, and learn what self-denial is... His sacrifice consisted not merely in leaving the royal courts of heaven, in being tried by wicked men as a criminal and pronounced guilty, and in being delivered up to die as a malefactor; but in bearing the weight of the sins of the world. The life of Christ rebukes our indifference and coldness. We are near the close of time, when Satan has come down, having great wrath, knowing that his time is short. He is working with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish."—Testimonies for the Church 3:406.{GW92 69.2}

This is how He denied self.

"In the garden of Gethsemane Christ suffered in man’s stead, and the human nature of the Son of God staggered under the terrible horror of the guilt of sin, until from His pale and quivering lips was forced the agonizing cry, “O My Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from Me:” but if there be no other way by which the salvation of man may be accomplished, then “not as I will, but as Thou wilt.” Human nature would then and there have died under the horror of the sense of sin, had not an angel from heaven strengthened Him to bear the agony. The power that inflicted retributive justice upon man’s substitute and surety, was the power that sustained and upheld the suffering One under the tremendous weight of wrath that would have fallen upon a sinful world. Christ was suffering the death that was pronounced upon the transgressors of God’s law.{BTS September 1, 1915, par. 5}

The same divine power that inflicted the punishment sustained Him also. The divine sustained the human.

He would have died then and there if not sustained by the divine.

He died the second death on our behalf, partaking of our sins, seeing every hateful thing we would ever do and experience the shame we should feel which was made worse by His sensitivity to sin. If He did not have the divine nature blended with the human nature He would have ceased to exist then and there.

It is written: Hebrews 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

In His human nature Christ rendered perfect obedience to the law of God, thus proving to all that this law can be kept. He endured the death penalty himself, not to abrogate the law, not to immortalize sin, but to take away sin. {RH, May 28, 1901 par. 10}

If Christ's human nature was not like ours now, it proves nothing to us.

It is written:

MR No. 1201 - Christ's Mission to Earth (excerpts)
It was sin that separated man from his God, and it is sin that maintains this separation. {16MR 115.2}

What a sight was this for heaven to look upon. Christ, who knew not the least moral taint or defilement of sin, took our nature in its deteriorated condition. {16MR 115.3}

There was not a drop of bitter woe which He did not taste, not a part of the curse which He did not endure, that He might bring many sons and daughters to God. {16MR 116.1}

By taking upon Himself man's nature in its fallen condition, Christ did not in the least participate in its sin. He was subject to the infirmities and weaknesses of the flesh with which humanity is encompassed, "that it might be fulfilled that was spoken by the prophet Esaias, Himself took our infirmities and bare our sicknesses." He was touched with the feeling of our infirmities, and was in all points tempted like as we are. And yet He was without a spot. {16MR 116.3}



As one of us He was to give an example of obedience. For this He took upon Himself our nature, and passed through our experiences. "In all things it behooved Him to be made like unto His brethren." Hebrews 2:17. If we had to bear anything which Jesus did not endure, then upon this point Satan would represent the power of God as insufficient for us. Therefore Jesus was "in all points tempted like as we are." Hebrews 4:15. He endured every trial to which we are subject. And He exercised in His own behalf no power that is not freely offered to us. As man, He met temptation, and overcame in the strength given Him from God. He says, "I delight to do Thy will, O My God: yea, Thy law is within My heart." Psalm 40:8. As He went about doing good, and healing all who were afflicted by Satan, He made plain to men the character of God's law and the nature of His service. His life testifies that it is possible for us also to obey the law of God. {DA 24.2}

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Did Jesus ever have to fight a bad habit?

Was He ever tempted to repeat a sin?

Did Jesus have an unsanctified, carnal heart?

Well, it proves nothing to legalists who want to be saved by emulating Christ's righteousness.

However, it proves to true believers that we must be changed from what we are to what He is, trusting to be saved by receiving Christ's righteousness.

So, you disagree with scripture in that he was tempted in all ways just as we are?

NOTE - you focus on behavior. There is no question that there is bad behavior. But the behavior is not the sin! Look at what Christ said about killing. Transgression of the sixth commandment is so much more that behavior. And this is true of all the commandments.

Yes, Christ was tempted in all ways just as we are. Hebrews 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

Christ proved that fallen man could keep the law! And how? By Christ!

Do you mean you believe Christ was tempted to fight a bad habit? That He was tempted to repeat a sin? Then you are contradicting Hebrews 4:15 - "yet without sin," for if He didn't sin He couldn't be tempted to repeat a sin or to fight a bad habit.
But what does Hebrews 4:15 say? "In all points tempted just as we are." He was tempted in all points as we are. We are tempted in three great points, and so was He.

I agree. It is a blatant lie. The truth is - I never said it. I'm talking about Jesus fighting the "greatest battle" - resisting the clamorings of sinful flesh. You think I'm accusing you of believing Jesus cannot sin. On the contrary, James. I know you believe Jesus was capable of sinning. But you do not agree Jesus, like born-again believers, fought the "greatest battle" - resisted the clamorings of sinful flesh. You believe it was impossible because He was wired differently, that is, He did not possess sinful flesh like born-again believers.

Jesus denied self just like a born-again believer. The following passages describe the truth about "self" and "selfishness" and born-again believers:


"All selfishness is expelled." So, what does it mean to "deny self as did Christ"? Since "all selfishness is expelled" what is left to deny?