Weather patterns are based on relatively recent record keeping. Since the Flood, regions around the world change continuously - sometimes radically (going from tropical to desert and back again). These changes happened way before over population and human caused emissions. Forest fires, volcanoes, and solar flares are responsible for the continuously changing weather patterns - drought, rain, snow, ice, etc (the presence or absence of) impact where humans can live. Human caused emissions add to the ever changing weather, but pales in comparison to the naturally occurring conditions. Deforestation is huge, too.

More than all of this is the fact nature obeys God. It is not self-acting. The weather behaves the way it does because God does what He does. Nature would cease to act - yea, cease to exist - if God ceased to act, ceased to employ it.

Ocean levels are rising? Is this another failed prediction since we were told they would only rise an inch in many years. Unless someone is exaggerating. Could we have the facts, please?



Speaking of failed predictions, wasn't just a few years ago they saying America was only starting to experience more and more storms. Prediction failed.

Now you're (or "they") are rewriting them.

Really? I recall they saying that over all it would be less precipitation, rampant droughts.

Could we have some facts, please?

And make sure they are facts and not anecdotal feelings.

By facts relating to the predictions I mean, show what prediction was made, what year it was made, what time frame it would happen in, and then show whether it came true or not.

From what I've seen, it is less accurate than tomorrows weather prediction.

I agree with the first part of your comment but as brought out many times before, you last part fails. God is not the destroyer. It is not His will, it is not His plan, it is not his intent to cause disaster. You are wrong about God.

For the global warmer promoters: How would one go about determining if there is or is not global warming, how would you set up the experimental design?

Our planet is too big to detect small changes, because those changes will make any number of apparently disconnected disruptions to the normal weather patterns. Detecting global warming on planet earth is about as difficult as detecting mercury toxicity in the human body--there are just too many variables for any human mind to wrap around all of them. Just like doctors can hardly agree on the mercury, because it can cause everything from loss of memory to osteoporosis and a host of things between, so also will scientists have difficulty establishing any single variable to watch as an indicator for global warming. It's just not that simple. There is no single variable--there are multiple variables. The planet's balance is irreducibly complex to the point of going beyond the best computer models a human mind might produce.

That said, there are some things that simple logic can tell us. It's an intuitive art more than a concrete intelligence-based analysis of facts and data. Some who have natural physics intuition will come to the answer more readily than those who must have "evidence" before they will accept anything. For my part, the evidence is sufficient to show what is happening. The news, in fact, just said that 2014 is the earth's hottest year on record since the time when record keeping began.

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/summary-info/global/201412

I remember hiking up to some glaciers years ago that are mostly not there anymore. That would be a part of the ocean's rise, I suppose.

Blessings,

Green Cochoa.

Again, what is "normal weather patterns"? Normal for the last 40 years? Normal for the last 400 years? Normal for the last 4000 years? Nature is not self-acting. Nature obeys God. Yes, human-caused emissions and deforestation play a part in global warming - but a small part. Again, nature is not self-acting. Nothing we do, in and of itself, causes the forces of nature to behave a certain way. Nature obeys God. He employs nature to serve His will. For example, the Great Flood was His will. It was not the result of humans mismanaging natural resources. Nature is not self-acting. It cannot act in response to human actions. Without God, nature can do nothing. Nature can only act in accordance with how God chooses to employ it. Inspiration is crystal clear:

MM, the flood was NOT God's will! God is not the destroyer. It is not His will, it is not His plan, it is not his intent to cause disaster. You are wrong about God.

But you are right in questioning what "normal weather patterns" are.

You are so right! I agree!

Yes, you are so right!

Ooops. Hang on everyone, here we go.

Something so complex, of which is beyond computer models a human mind might produce, Green is going to tell us "the truth".

Facts and data don't matter.

Sounds like an air of arrogance. Like, 'some who are more intelligent than others just know ...'

First, art surpasses facts and data, but then "evidence is sufficient"? Ummm...


Facts and data don't matter, but yet you wish to try to present some if it does support your art form?

You just said, "The planet's balance is irreducibly complex to the point of going beyond the best computer models a human mind might produce", but yet you are trying to say that detecting global warming is possible and can be shown?

"was the highest among all years since record keeping began in 1880."

135 years. Is that enough to base a judgment on? Is that "small changes" or big? How does one determine that, from intuition and feelings? Then how does one determine who's intuition and feelings should be used to try to generate panic and/or tax people more?

By the way, the link says December (one month, small time period, small temperature record, 02°C) was the warmest on record, the ocean was the warm for the year. Not quite what you said, "the earth's hottest year on record". One of them there "art forms"?

Ah, there goes anecdotal feelings. Maybe an art form rather than facts and data? So I guess if you feel facts and data don't support global warming, then my request to present them doesn't work.


Again, you are presenting pages which seem to suggest facts and data and models and possibly experimental design, but yet you say it's impossible, but yet you quote them.

You feel there surely must be, there just must be global warming.

I, MM, and others feel the weather patterns have been changing since the flood and even since sin. There are periods of warmth followed by periods of coolness as there are periods of drought followed by periods of floods. The middle of the United states was covered by glaciers and have since melted way before any so-called man-made global warming.

If this was the 1970's you'd be crying global cooling. Then there was 1800-and-frozen-to-death.

By not showing how predictions did or did not come true, by not even attempting to suggest an experimental design just reinforces my opinion about the alarmists. And you put it so well, global warming is an art form rather than based upon science.

Face it - Climate happens.

Worried about something which is not supported by facts and data, when you should be worried about pollution, landfills filling up, wanton waste of resources, contaminated water, etc. And most important of a more immediate threat, something that facts and data do support, which can be quantified by data is the radiation spewing out of Japan!


Japan Scientists: High radiation levels near West Coast after Fukushima disaster — Almost 30 Bq/m3 of cesium offshore — Secret documents reveal US gov’t previously ordered radiation test results in Pacific be hidden to avoid contamination fears

Gov’t Expert: West Coast will soon be hit by 800 Trillion Bq of Fukushima Cesium-137 — Nearly equal to amount of fallout deposited on Japan — Levels in Pacific “higher than expected” — “Main body of surface plume has reached off coast of US” — Never slowed down while crossing ocean, contrary to prediction

Gov’t Officials: Fukushima should be declared uninhabitable — “Conditions are getting worse, we have to move people away… we can’t wait” — “Someone has to do something” — “Just like evacuation of children in WWII” — Newspaper: “Fukushima youths ready to desert irradiated hometowns”


Someone's "art form" is hiding the real threats to this world...

By far, my primary indicator are the ocean levels. To raise the level of an ocean, and I'm not talking about high and low tides, takes a lot of water. By far, the largest amount of water available are the polar ice caps! We see floods on land when mountain ice melts, so it only figures that polar ice melting would cause the ocean levels to rise.

So, what would cause the polar ice to melt? Global warming.

I listen a fair amount to a guy named Ben Davidson of Suspicious0bservers.org. He is adamantly against the idea of global warming. Yet, the ocean levels are probably two feet higher today than thirty years ago.

There just isn't any other explanation that I know of.