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Re: 4th Quarter 2014 - The Book of James
[Re: asygo]
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10/31/14 10:47 PM
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How much of your obedience comes from your love for God and others and how much from a sense of obligation? Is working from obligation always wrong, though? Perhaps you don’t feel love for a person but help him or her only because you know you are supposed to. What, if anything, is wrong with that? No, I don't think that working from obligation is always wrong. It's wrong, as you said, Arnold, when the unloving helper believes that he has met God's requirement by so doing. Many times I didn't feel like helping someone, yet I helped the person nonetheless, asking for God's forgiveness and asking Him to fill me with His love. As C. S. Lewis said, in Mere Christianity: “When you are behaving as if you loved someone, you will presently come to love him. If you injure someone you dislike, you will find yourself disliking him more. If you do him a good turn, you will find yourself disliking him less.” Being sinners, sometimes we obey the law not because we feel like it, but because we know we should do it.
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Re: 4th Quarter 2014 - The Book of James
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11/01/14 12:35 AM
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Being sinners, sometimes we obey the law not because we feel like it, but because we know we should do it Rosangela - this could be described as "in bondage to the letter of the law". One must believe Jesus had a different motivation. ___________________________________________
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Re: 4th Quarter 2014 - The Book of James
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11/01/14 11:42 AM
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Memory Text: “For judgment will be merciless to one who has shown no mercy; mercy triumphs over judgment” (James 2:13, NASB).
What does it mean?
We need mercy. James makes it clear that those who prefer certain classes of people before others are guilty of breaking all of the commandments. And this is a commandment all of us are breaking. Therefore we are only saved by the mercy of God because mercy triumphs over judgment,
"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
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Re: 4th Quarter 2014 - The Book of James
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11/01/14 04:31 PM
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M: It seems like you are missing my point, namely, they are not guilty of sinning because they have defects and imperfections they refuse to cherish or act out in thought, word, or behavior. Having them is totally different than acting them out. You seem to think they are guilty of sinning even if they don't sin.
A: You've wandered away again. All I'm saying is that the SOP says their natures are seen to be different from Christ's, and I agree. You are trying very hard to disagree with it without saying it aloud. Jesus was God in sinful flesh. So, yes, His nature was radically different. But, as you know, He never used His divinity to resist temptation. Jesus resisted the same temptations born again believers resist. Jesus' fallen humanity also had the same defects and weaknesses. However, like believers who are abiding in Jesus, He did not cherish them or act them out. Thus, He never incurred guilt. You seem to think merely having them counts as sinning.
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