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Re: Thy Kingdom Come [Re: dedication] #170730
12/19/14 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted By: dedication
Basically what that is saying -- is -- Houteff's interpretations of scripture supersede EGW's writings, as well as anything anyone finds in scripture.
Yes, I was starting to think that. Except not Houteff's but GLL's interpretations. Kind of, she's inspired except where I disagree kind of attitude.

For he does say: I mean that our "understanding" of her writings must not be that "it" supersedes the Scriptures.

Meaning also, that his "understanding" of Scriptures is the "it" which supersedes the Scriptures.

Re: Thy Kingdom Come [Re: dedication] #170732
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Originally Posted By: dedication
But then -- just read the Zechariah "interpretation" presented by GLL in "Summary of our Zechariah 4 Lesson" thread.
It twists the meaning of that passage to come to the conclusion that ONLY Houteff is the final word on how Scripture is to be interpreted.
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The "other" that GLL is referring to is V. Houteff.
And one just has to read the prologue to this thread to realize SR followers teach EGW was given only partial truth, while they think Houteff gives the full truth.
Oh no! I guess I had forgotten he was a sheperd's rod or unbranched-davidian. That is just so wrong. Sounds kind of like the same concept of "the last pope" people. But a good example of Houteff/GLL's private interpretation superseding the Scriptures!

Re: Thy Kingdom Come [Re: dedication] #170758
12/20/14 04:44 PM
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Ded- When you use scripture to reason with a Houteff follower they will accuse you of "private interpretation".

Now this is funny! This is coming from someone who has be warned repeatedly that she should cease from doing private interpretations.

Let us examine proof--

1) She has continued to point to Isaiah 14:13-14 as pointing to the time in the last days, during the Loud Cry, when Satan shall establish his throne in Israel.

We have asked several times to show supporting INSPIRATION (not her ideas) for this.She has refused to supply anything. Truth seekers are not fooled. This is private interpretation beyond doubt.

Quite the contrary SOP repeatedly applies this verse to long ago in heaven, see the following--

"Evil originated with Lucifer, who rebelled against the government of God. Before his fall he was a covering cherub, distinguished by his excellence. God made him good and beautiful, as near as possible like himself. Of him it is written, “Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.” But self-exaltation entered his heart. Inspiration records the charge against him: “Thine heart wast lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness.” “How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend unto heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the Most High. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.” RH September 24, 1901, par. 4

Little by little, Lucifer came to indulge a desire for self-exaltation. 'Thou hast set thine heart as the heart of God.' 'Thou hast said, . . . I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation....I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the Most High.' Verse 6; Isaiah 14:13, 14. Instead of seeking to make God supreme in the affections and allegiance of His creatures, it was Lucifer's endeavor to win their service and homage to himself. And coveting the honor which the infinite Father had bestowed upon His Son, this prince of angels aspired to power which it was the prerogative of Christ alone to wield. (Ellen G. White, The Great Controversy Between Christ and Satan – The Conflict of the Ages in the Christian Dispensation, Chapter 29 – The Origin of Evil, pp. 494-495)

Lucifer had said, "I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; . . . I will be like the Most High." Isa. 14:13, 14. But Christ, "being in the form of God, counted it not a thing to be grasped to be on an equality with God, but emptied Himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in the likeness of men." (Phil. 2:6, 7) (Desires of Ages, p.19)

"Speaking of Satan, the prophet testifies: “For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven [or, I will be exalted in heaven], I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north; I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the Most High.” Isaiah 14:13, 14. That this heaven-daring aspiration was the channel through which evil came into the universe, and caused Satan to fall, Paul, in 1 Timothy 3:6, affirms where he calls pride the “condemnation” of the Devil." (Looking unto Jesus, p.32)

Satan wanted to stand where the Lamb stands. He wanted to win all humanity to his side and chain us to his chariot, his lost slaves suited only for destruction. He wanted to stand victorious, having defeated God in the great controversy. But instead the Lamb stands--with the 144,000! He stands on mount Zion. Again God says of Mount Zion, "For Zion's sake will I not hold my peace, and for Jerusalem's sake I will not rest, until the righteousness thereof go forth as brightness, and the salvation thereof as a lamp that burneth" Isaiah 62:1.

In order to build her false agenda that Satan will control Israel in the last days she must pull quotes for all directions to build "her" case.

As we continue to show unconditional Scripture showing that the kingdom starts in Israel prior to the second coming, she must use anything she can to dis-prove this. But she can't go against the plain "Thus sayeth the Lord" and in the end people like this will be found out as wanting.

Ded-But then -- just read the Zechariah "interpretation" presented by GLL in "Summary of our Zechariah 4 Lesson" thread.
It twists the meaning of that passage to come to the conclusion that ONLY Houteff is the final word on how Scripture is to be interpreted.


Again this is funny. Notice she slams down this Zech. 4 prophecy because she does not agree with it, yet not once does she explain what Zech 4 means! brother Houteff , as we who have studied his writings unlocked this prophecy, but surface readers like Dedication can only tear down instead of offering a better conclusion.

You see brethren God's word has meaning in all of it and this Zech. 4 is meant for us to know how to interpret Scripture correctly, let us understand this by God's grace. here is the report on it and if you'll take the time to read it you'll see that there can be no other clear understanding of it because the beauty of the understanding is indeed from God. Zech. 4 report

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Re: Thy Kingdom Come [Re: Godsloveandlaw] #170763
12/20/14 10:59 PM
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And once again GLL thinks Satan's aims in Isaiah 14 apply only to the beginning of his rebellion?!!!

He wrote: "SOP repeatedly applies this verse to long ago in heaven"

Of course they apply then -- that was the beginning. But they most certainly did NOT end there.

Are we to believe him and think Satan isn't going to make a tremendous effort to fulfil his ambitions NOW, knowing that time is short?

Re: Thy Kingdom Come [Re: Godsloveandlaw] #170764
12/20/14 11:14 PM
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Indeed I do NOT agree with SR interpretation of Zechariah 4.
Houteff's followers obviously use that passage to place Houteff as the sole interpreter of scripture.

the link says: "Thus, the TWO PIPES are a symbol of the prophets whom we now primarily recognize as: E.G. WHITE and V.T. HOUTEFF"

Quote:
And GLL wrote “the two golden pipes, which carry the golden oil from the trees to the bowl, are the only two mediums which God has employed since 1844 A.D. to interpret the Scriptures.”
(Note: who are the two mediums prophesied here? We know that since 1844 God has brought us the SOP-Ellen White, who could be the other? These two alone are authorized to interpret Scripture.
Further, as this prophecy was interpreted in 1939, it proves that it is in place for us today (our present truth).



And even though a massive cut and paste use of EGW writings is used extensively to support Houteff's ideas, when anyone points out that the context of those quotes do NOT support Houteff, they will demand you must not quote her!!!!

Re: Thy Kingdom Come [Re: dedication] #170766
12/21/14 12:41 AM
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Ded- And once again GLL thinks Satan's aims in Isaiah 14 apply only to the beginning of his rebellion?!!!


Yes, Inspiration says so. Do you have something from INSPIRATION to show us? infact there are about 4 or 5 SOP verses that say this is describing his rebellion in heaven.

Only you, Dedication cast this verse to YOUR own timeline in YOUR own mind.

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Re: Thy Kingdom Come [Re: dedication] #170767
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Notice once again Dedication must "put down" something to build herself up. Does she offer something for us as to the meaning of Zech. 4? Of course not.

Re: Thy Kingdom Come [Re: Godsloveandlaw] #170769
12/21/14 12:51 AM
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Originally Posted By: Godsloveandlaw
Ded- And once again GLL thinks Satan's aims in Isaiah 14 apply only to the beginning of his rebellion?!!!


Yes, Inspiration says so. Do you have something from INSPIRATION to show us? infact there are about 4 or 5 SOP verses that say this is describing his rebellion in heaven.


Nowhere can you quote me a passage from EGW that says it applies ONLY to the beginning of the rebellion.

Indeed the readers are intelligent enough to realize Satan's ambitions didn't end when he was cast out of heaven.

Re: Thy Kingdom Come [Re: dedication] #170770
12/21/14 01:01 AM
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Ded- Nowhere can you quote me a passage from EGW that says it applies ONLY to the beginning of the rebellion.

Amazing! What she is really saying is this--" because Inspiration failed to provide me a reference to support my idea, I'll do it anyway."

"Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation." (1 Peter 1:20)

Satan likes to use just these people who will "run ahead of Inspiration". If God's INSPIRED prophets do not deal with an issue such as Inspiration does not deal with Isaiah 14:13-14, then who is Dedication to do so?

Re: Thy Kingdom Come [Re: Godsloveandlaw] #170772
12/21/14 01:58 AM
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No -- inspiration didn't provide you with a reference to support your idea that Satan's ambitions mentioned in Isaiah 14 ONLY apply to the beginning of the rebellion.

Inspiration is clear that in the end the whole world (almost) will be worshipping the dragon, the beast and his image.


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