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Does Faith Save or Does Grace Save? #170934
12/28/14 08:23 PM
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Is it faith that saves us, or is it actually grace that saves us?


In His Love, Mercy & Grace,

Daryl smile

John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

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Re: Does Faith Save or Does Grace Save? [Re: Daryl] #170936
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We are saved by grace through faith in God. Faith is not inherently salvific.


By God's grace,
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1 John 5:11-13
And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.
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1) "We have received grace . . . for obedience". Rom 1:5.

2) "Let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably". Heb 12:28.

3) "We have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand". Rom 5:1.

4) "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast." Eph 2:8-9.

Re: Does Faith Save or Does Grace Save? [Re: Daryl] #170939
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We are saved by Jesus Christ.

There is salvation in NO other.

Grace is the wealth of His mercy, His love in providing salvation.

Faith is a gift that helps us REALLY believe in Christ and this is manifest in our daily lives.

Re: Does Faith Save or Does Grace Save? [Re: Daryl] #170961
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Originally Posted By: Daryl
Is it faith that saves us, or is it actually grace that saves us?

Save us from what?

What is grace? Titus 3:5-7; Isaiah 53:11

Titus 3:5-7 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; 6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; 7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

Isaiah 53:11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.


Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
Re: Does Faith Save or Does Grace Save? [Re: Daryl] #170967
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In salvation there is God's part and man's part. God's part is His grace in providing salvation, man's part is faith to accept it. However, even faith is a gift of God.

Re: Does Faith Save or Does Grace Save? [Re: Daryl] #170972
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The work of gaining salvation is one of copartnership, a joint operation. There is to be co-operation between God and the repentant sinner. This is necessary for the formation of right principles in the character. Man is to make earnest efforts to overcome that which hinders him from attaining to perfection. But he is wholly dependent upon God for success. Human effort of itself is not sufficient. Without the aid of divine power it avails nothing. God works and man works. Resistance of temptation must come from man, who must draw his power from God. On the one side there is infinite wisdom, compassion, and power; on the other, weakness, sinfulness, absolute helplessness. {AA 482.2}

God wishes us to have the mastery over ourselves. But He cannot help us without our consent and co-operation. The divine Spirit works through the powers and faculties given to man. Of ourselves, we are not able to bring the purposes and desires and inclinations into harmony with the will of God; but if we are "willing to be made willing," the Saviour will accomplish this for us, "Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ." 2 Corinthians 10:5. {AA 482.3}

We must learn of Christ. We must know what He is to those He has ransomed. We must realize that through belief in Him it is our privilege to be partakers of the divine nature, and so escape the corruption that is in the world through lust. Then we are cleansed from all sin, all defects of character. We need not retain one sinful propensity. . . . {AG 235.4}

As we partake of the divine nature, hereditary and cultivated tendencies to wrong are cut away from the character, and we are made a living power for good. Ever learning of the divine Teacher, daily partaking of His nature, we cooperate with God in overcoming Satan's temptations. God works, and man works, that man may be one with Christ as Christ is one with God. Then we sit together with Christ in heavenly places. The mind rests with peace and assurance in Jesus. . . . In Him there is inexhaustible fullness. {AG 235.5}

Re: Does Faith Save or Does Grace Save? [Re: Daryl] #170973
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The Answer is neither , allow me to explain.

Faith and Grace are indeed God's outreaching to mankind. However mankind must respond. How? But doing their part to accept these invitations.

"Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone." (James 2:17)

This cannot be more plain-we are dead if we have not works along with faith.

"For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins.." (Hebrews 10:26)

Grace cannot do anything and is worthless, if we continue to sin.

Bottomline-- God has put out His hand to reach us with His divine grace and love, yet if we hold ours back ( continue to sin or neglect to do corresponding works) we turn away His offer and are not saved.

Re: Does Faith Save or Does Grace Save? [Re: Daryl] #170977
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We are dead if we have not works along with faith?

That is not quite what James is saying.
He is saying our FAITH is dead if IT doesn't have works.
Of course without living faith our spiritual life is dead as well.

But faith is not something apart from works.
It is LIVING FAITH-- that connection of trusting and walking with Christ-- that brings forth genuine, godly works (character transformation).

For works without faith is also very dead, and is only an outward thing.

Re: Does Faith Save or Does Grace Save? [Re: dedication] #170981
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Ded-That is not quite what James is saying.
He is saying our FAITH is dead if IT doesn't have works.
Of course without living faith our spiritual life is dead as well


That is what I said. So if we say we have faith and doeth not corresponding works and we think we are saved in spite of it, it comes to not. Why? because we have not works.

They as one together commensurates the justification by faith.In other words , one without the other is --dead!

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