Blessings kland,

You wrote; "How does one keep an anti-type "spiritually", what would that mean? Do you believe there will be sacrifices in the future, will they be literal or spiritual, if spiritual, what would that entail?"

Spiritually means by faith. We know the judgment is going on in the Heavenly Sanctuary. We each need to be mindful that our own name will come up before the judgment. We must realize our need of our Savior and Advocate, Jesus Christ. We must also recognize how much needs to happen for us to be more like Jesus.

Yet, after the Second Coming, the redeemed will actually be present for what's left as far as Feast Days, such as the Feast of Tabernacles.

As far as sacrifices, Christ made the only sacrifice that matters once and for all. Blood sacrifices will never be practiced again after the close of probation.

I think all that clarified things a little. So what I see you saying is that there need be no arguing over which month or day is what as after Christ's death we keep the feasts every day spiritually. We need not determine barley ripeness, nor sighting of moons, nor how that all fits in a round world.

Yes, that's what I understand. Keep in mind that the feasts are both fulfilled individually and corporatly.

The corporate fulfillment of the Passover was fulfilled by His Church (the Israelites) when they got out of Egypt. However the "Israelite Church" did not fulfill the Pentecost. They could of for they were brought at the foothill of Sinai at Pentecost to receive the Lord, but they backed out and rejected hearing God because they were too afraid (Ex 20:19). Thus it was only fulfilled corporatly 2500 years later with the 120 in the upper room.

The feast Type and Shadow show us spiritual development level. So the spiritual level of the Church was just a kid when they got out of Egypt. The Church only became mature enough to enter the next development stage (teenage years to young adult)to receive the teaching's of the Holy Spirit in 33 AD.

Tabernacle(to be clothed with immortality) has not been fulfilled corporatly or individually yet. This spiritual level of maturity is to enter the Priesthood ministry where we will be crown to rule over nations with Jesus.

Besides the spiritual fulfillment(corporately or individually) of the feasts that are yet to be fulfilled, we also need to watch the feasts appointed times to watch what the Lord is doing in the world from year to year.

Besides the feasts, there's other appointed time to watch that are on different cycle. Here's an example where we have Jonathan Cahn who noticed that the Lord keeps the 7th year cycle. Jonathan calls it the "shmitah" but I don't think this word is found in the Bible. I think it's some word he or rabbis names this 7th year cycle. Nor do I agree with Cahn understanding of the 7th year rest. Novertheless, I do agree with his overvation that at every 7th year some economic or other major event took place.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8B14NSIWc8

This shows that the Lord still keep watch of the 7th year Sabbath as He does with many other "appointed times".

Wait. How did you move from spiritually to literally? Because you just had said:

I understand things are confusing and hard to grab. This is quite foreign for us. Also, it is a complicated subject. If you are interested to understand more about time and how the Lord applied the law to correct nation; I would recommend reading Secrets of Time by Stephen Jones. You may not agree with all his views, however if you can by-pass that and only focuss on his biblical studies about "curse" time found with the history of nations speaks for itself -- seeing that the Lord keeps these diverse cycles to judge a nation or an individual.

Concerning appointed times, there are many : daily, weekly, monthly, Start of year(in the fall and other calendars), 7th years, End of 49th year, 50th year, Feasts time, and all other cycles based on diverse numbers that holds a meaning. For example 210 days or years cycle denotes time of trouble, 40 (in days or years or Jubilees) denotes trials or probation. We see the Lord putting nations or individuals under these time cycle(210, 40 and many more).

The Lord is not limited with only a few dates, feasts time, or a certain calendar. Whatever cycle He uses today to make events happens (by small strides at time, but repeatedly until it culminates to the full fulfillment).... He has pre-defined these cycle in the law or with the Prophets in some fashion.

Each year there are a number of events that the Lord fulfills(or partially fulfills) based on different "appointed times" cycles. To know which ones He is currently working on requires "ears to hear". He does want us to develop an ear to hear and eyes to see so to behold what He's doing as He's doing it. The main reason is so we learn how He applies His laws and come to know how He works.

Yes there are many appointed times, but what happens during those time cycle is not literal fulfillment or application of the law as most people expect, but spiritual application(the intend of the law).

O.K. -- so you are saying we are to "keep" the feasts, sacrifices, and the 7th day Sabbath SPIRITUALLY, not literally.
In other words we are not to keep them, just spiritualize their meaning, and seek some hidden meaning?

Now the temple feasts and sacrifices all pointed to Christ's work as our sacrifice, our High Priest in the heavenly sanctuary, and our Redeemer. We no longer look to the shadows (except to learn from them) we now look to reality which is Christ.

The 7th day Sabbath is part of God's moral law. It's meaning is not just some shadow of the future -- it represents communion with our Creator and Redeemer, in the past, in the present and in the future.


Does God care about what we believe about our origins? You wrote that God wasn't worried about evolution, as if it was no big deal if people believed in evolution or creation?

God is GOD, and we are His creation. It IS important for us to understand that!

Is it true that the only literal thing you see in the Sabbath is that we need time for "physical refreshment" but it's not a literal time that has been blessed, sanctified, set apart for special communion with our Creator. In other words, it seems you do not think the 7th day Sabbath needs to be a literal 7th day set apart from other days for worship? That its literal aspects need to be "spiritualized" away. Is that your view?

Evolution IS a big heresy.
It's not God who is personally threatened by it, He knows how utterly dependant we are upon Him for the very breath of life, as well as salvation.
It is the people who are being deceived by it.
It is a great delusion that will rob multitudes of eternal life, because it severs the created from their Creator.
It teaches that people are naturally maturing to greater levels of spiritual maturity -- superior human existence, they don't need God as their Redeemer and Savior.

Believers in evolution don't need a soon coming Savior to take them out of this sinful world, to heaven, for they believe mankind is advancing through pain and suffering into a superior level of existence via evolution.


The last warning message to the world is --

WOSHIP HIM WHO MADE... EVERYTHING... fear God and give Him glory (See Rev. 14:7)
The saints are those who with patient endurance keep the law of God and the faith of Jesus. (See Rev. 14:12)

Sorry Elle for the long delay in answering you! I just missed this post until now.

As far as the timing of feast days in the future, the Feast of Tabernacles is mentioned in Zech. 14:16, 19. The Bible does say year after year, which still surprises me a little.

quoting:
" Shall we not gather our forces together, and come up to the feast of tabernacles? Let us not treat this matter as one of little importance... Let no one plead an excuse at such a time. One of the reasons why we have appointed the camp-meeting ... is that we desire the people of that vicinity to become acquainted with our doctrines and works..... Therefore come to the camp-meeting, even though you have to make a sacrifice to do so, and the Lord will bless your efforts to honour his cause and advance his work. {EGW in Bible Echo, December 8, 1893 par. 5}

And some will only quote the first sentence, stopping after "come up to the feast of tabernacles", insisting Ellen White kept and promoted the feast days of the Jews. So dishonest! I find dishonesty seems to be their main theme they live by.

Excellent post dedication.