I'm saying it's not about the future millennium. You said it was talking about the millennium, but I was trying to show it wasn't, that it couldn't be. It's talking about what could have been if Israel had obeyed. But the prophesy is not voided, just not fulfilled literally as it could have been back in ancient Israel's day. Christ our Passover is sacrificed for us. To keep a literal Passover day would be an insult to Him.

So you believe prophesies are conditional?

Well yes, of course.

De 28:1 And it shall come to pass, if thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe and to do all his commandments which I command thee this day, that the LORD thy God will set thee on high above all nations of the earth:
De 28:2 And all these blessings shall come on thee, and overtake thee, if thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God.
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De 28:15 But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee:

Deut 28 does not support your theory that prophecies are conditional. Deut 28 is a law where the Lord tells us He will bless us when we obey, and how He will correct us when we disobey.

Your point makes no sense for Ezekiel's prophesy was given AFTER Israel had already failed and was deported???

Also, if you continue reading in Deut 30 & 31 & 32 the Lord plainly tells them that He KNOWS ahead of time that Israel would fail before they set foot in Canaan. He said that the blessings and the curses of Deut 28 will come to pass. (Remember, all the laws are prophetic)

AV Dt 30:1 . And it shall come to pass, when all these things are come upon thee, the blessing and the curse, which I have set before thee, and thou shalt call [them] to mind among all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath driven thee,

The first underline part, the Lord is saying that all of Deut 28 will come to pass. The 2nd underline part refers to the futur when they will be cast out of their land, taken in captivity, and dispersed amoungst the nations as Deut 28 says it would and this will come to their mind.

Also Deut 31:16 The Lord tells Moses that the people will disobey Him after Moses dies and soon after they enter the land. This is not an IF or think it's a possibility, the Lord says it will happen because He knows the Furtur.

AV Dt 31:16 And the LORD said unto Moses, Behold, thou shalt sleep with thy fathers; and this people will rise up, and go a whoring after the gods of the strangers of the land, whither they go [to be] among them, and will forsake me, and break my covenant which I have made with them.

Even the Lord instructed Moses to teach them a song about how they will disobey Him and receive all the Deut 28 laws of disobedience.

AV Dt 31:19 Now therefore write ye this song for you, and teach it the children of Israel: put it in their mouths, that this song may be a witness for me against the children of Israel. 20 For when I shall have brought them into the land which I sware unto their fathers, that floweth with milk and honey; and they shall have eaten and filled themselves, and waxen fat; then will they turn unto other gods, and serve them, and provoke me, and break my covenant. 21 And it shall come to pass, when many evils and troubles are befallen them, that this song shall testify against them as a witness; for it shall not be forgotten out of the mouths of their seed: for I know their imagination which they go about, even now, before I have brought them into the land which I sware.

Read the song in Deut 32 that is a witness against Israel and us Christians today that are still under the captivity prophesied in Deut 28 because of our continuous disobedience.

I hope you will come to reconsider that all prophecies are not conditional and see the pertinence of the Feasts and sacrifices and other laws in your life today. Blessings

Well I picked one I thought was well known. Could pick others. Are you saying a promise of blessing is not a prophecy?

The rest sounds like you agree with MM that we are predestined and have no choice in the matter. I disagree. God understands all possibilities but does not dictate them. Prophecies are dependent and conditional upon obedience.

Deut 28 did not prove in any way that prophecies are conditional. Show me other scriptures that really proves what you believe. I don't believe you have any for I haven't seen any. All you can show is some scriptures that shows man has a choice.

Having choices doesn't prove that prophecies are conditional. Man's choices are always very limited with his circumstances and always depends on the current events which often brings a change in man's choices. It is the Lord that controls the events, thus in that way He controls and limits man's choices.

Then scriptures says no one can resist the Lord's plan(boulema)(Rom 9:19). Not Pharaoh or no other man can. They may resist the Lord's will(thelema = commandment) but at the end, the Lord's plan(boulema = prophecies) will always be fulfilled.


All of Deut 28 is prophecy : the blessings and the curses. As soon as Israel entered Canaan, the Lord executed the curses of Deut 28 by selling off Israel to foreign nations. Israel was made the "tail" to other nations -- meaning the Lord put Israel into captivities to other nations 6 times. After that, the Lord executed the blessings of Deut 28 with the rule of David and Solomon making Israel "head" of other nations. Then Israel entered again into disobedience under the rule of Jeroboam and other kings and the Lord brought them the 7th captivity and the IRON YOKE(destruction, deportation, etc..) as told in Deut 28.

So we see in the history of Israel the fulfillment of Deut 28:
-6 softer curses as soon they entered Canaan,
-the blessings under the rule of David and Solomon, and
-2 iron yoke curses via the Assyrians for Israel and via Babylon for Judah.

I do not know what MM says on this subject, but I do see scripture supporting presdestination and a Sovereign Lord :
AV Eph 1:11 "In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:"


Well that's not what Eph 1:11 (all things work according to God's will) and other scriptures says like Rom 9:19(no one can resist God's plan) and so many other scriptures that says man's choices are in the Lord's hands. To me all these texts disagree with what you are saying. Do show me any significant texts that can prove of what your are saying.


We're getting off topic here. If you want to continue persuing this topic of predestination and choices then let's start a new discussion or continue an old.


We got deviated because

-My Point : Ezekiel 44-48 (which is futur) shows feasts and sacrifices keeping; thus Feasts and sacrifice still relevant.

-Your objection: Ezkiel 44-48 was conditional ....THUS that prophecy is not valid because Israel had failed.

-Your objection MAKES NO SENCE : because both Israel and Judah had already failed and were already deported BEFORE that prophecies was given.

Since your point makes no sense, then my point still stand.

Shall I just merely say your point makes no "sence" so "then my point still stand"?

I don't think so.


What is "prophecy" to you?

What would need to be presented showing that such "prophecy" is "conditional"?

That is not correct.
True, Ezekiel prophesied during Babylonian captivity. However, there was a restoration with a lot of wonderful promises covering another 490 year period when these promises could have been fulfilled. (See Daniel 9 and Jeremiah 25:11-12; 2 Chron. 36:22-23; Ezra 1:1-2)

Prophecies of Israel were conditional.

Isaiah 1:19 If you be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land:
1:20 But if you refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword:

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Agree!
Ezekiel was talking about a temple THAT COULD HAVE BEEN (should have been) after the Babylonian captivity when the returning remnant of Israel was given 490 years to prepare themselves and the world for the first advent of Messiah.
Daniel 9 tells us Messiah would come 483 years after Jerusalem was again authorized and built as Israel's capital.

And he did come at the appointed time. However the temple for which Ezekiel had given them the pattern was not there -- instead there was the temple built by Herod the Edomite. It was still God's house for Herod had refurbished and embellished the original simple temple built by the returned exiles 480 some years earlier, but it was not the temple God had given them the pattern for, through Ezekiel.

Of course God knew the future, but He also continually revealed what He really wanted for Israel -- if only they would have been willing and obedient.