My apology for this late reply. I had been working on updating my newest book (America, the Obama Nation available as e-book or hard copy) and I had not been able to access this forum for some time until Daryl suggested I try a different browser.

From my study of Daniel 7 and 8, I understand that America has become the king of the North (the last power to persecute God's people). This is from Bible study.

As the RC plucked up three Arian tribes through their allies,
the prophecy will repeat with America plucking up three Islamic powers. Two have "fell" (Afghanistan and Iraq). The third will be Iran.

In my study of Daniel 11, I have followed the chapter from the three kings in Persia (Cyrus, Darius, & Artaxexese) then the 2300-years to 1844 when Christ stood to commence the IJ. The prophecy repeats at verse 6 (with France as the king of the South and its daughter is the papacy that she BEGOT in 1798)through the ships of Chittam moving against the King of the North (verse 30 - Iran attacking America). Then verses 40 onward explains what led up to the attack and flow to Michael standing (Crist's Advent)

I expected the #IranUSwar much sooner. But now it looks like the Supreme court is to adopt the gay marriage abomination first. Then after America has rejected One Nation Under God the #IranUSwar will follow. This will be followed by President Obama implementing the National Sunday Law as he does exploits against the covenant.

If you have not read America, The Obama Nation, you should.

I continue to study. But the explanation in America, The Obama Nation expresses my understanding at this point in time. As history and prophecy c continue to intersect, I pray that my understanding will continue grow appropriately.

I have read all the posts in this thread since I last visited this forum. They are very interesting and well thought out.

But we need to remember that

1) prophecy is not of private interpretation.

2) Read the Bible as it is written.

3) Daniel and Revelation relate to the PAST, PRESENT, & FUTURE.

4) Since 666 is the number of the papal beast, it has to be the number of the image beast as well.

5) If something was not important, God would not put it in Bible prophecy.

6) When God puts things in Bible prophecy, He puts the keys to unlock the prophecy in the Bible also.

7) Wisdom comes from God not human reasoning (Ask Him for it)

8) Scriptures can only be rightly understood wit the aide of the Holy Spirit - not by might or power but by God's Spirit

9) NEVER open the word of God without prayer

10) Studying with godly people is safer than going it alone.

Blessings GLL;

You wrote; "Alchemy-- Why don't you try addressing the main thrust of the post instead of isolating just one area-- here it is again for review"

I try to isolate points that I believe are most misunderstood. With all due respect; You seem to greatly misunderstand how prophecy and prophets work.

Now, you are the one who keeps bringing up Word to the Little Flock (WLF) and you keep making the same mistake. Dedication has answered this very well and you continue to misunderstand.

As far as the thrust of this thread is concerned, your the one challenging the points of this thread. I believe you should keep within the thrust of this thread.

perhaps you missed this:

Gordon,

I'm sorry I missed this.
I was concentrating on getting my last book updated, and after several months of being away from the forum, it got by me.

"But what do you mean of the Gulf attack? Iran is one of the most pacifist of developed countries, America the most bellicose... There is a MUCH higher probability that American forces would provoke Iran with a covert attack, because this is their track record.(i.e. U.S. fires first shot)"

As I read and document Daniel 11:1 to 12:1; it has been completely fulfilled from the 3 kings in Persia that began the 2300-years until Jesus stood for His people in 1844 to commence the IJ.

This is the short version:

At the end of the 2300-years, 1844 aligns with eating the little book Daniel 11 in Rev 10 then the command comes to prophesy again. John is the Revelator and Daniel is the prophet. Time is to be no longer because the 2300-years have ended and when Daniel 11 repeats, the 2300-years do not repeat.

Daniel 11 repeats at verse 6 (at the time of the end) with France as KOTS (Napoleon got the title when he invaded Egypt 1798) and Great Britain as KOTN (it propped up the faltering Ottoman empire 1840). The papacy is the daughter of the KOTS because France took Rome in 1798). The KOTS and KOTN join (become allies in 186? to fight Russia in Crimean war). Then Italy is unified and pope sought KOTN & KOTS aid to keep papal states. Branch of papal roots (church or state) was Mussolini who moved against English Africa (Kenya) which GB gave to him and redrew borders. Then England faltered in WWII and Roosevelt became KOTN. KOTS Mussolini ruled longer than Roosevelt. Then KOTS went back to Egypt. Israel 1948. Then war with Egypt...

Much of the history in Dan 11 repeats but not the time.

The narration that begins at 11:6 after 1844 runs through 11:39. 11:40 is a caveat that explains what immediately preceded 11:30.

The caveat deals with Egypt, Libya, and Ethiopia being in America's steps. Beginning in 2011 in this exact sequence: Egypt's dictator was jailed. Libya's dictator was killed. and Ethiopia's dictator died unexpectedly of illness.

And we have arrived at the place (Daniel 11:30) when the KOTS (I'm reading that to be Iran -America has put sanctions on it until it is about at the breaking point) is going to attack the fleet of the KOTN and then Obama does exploits against the Covenant (America's Constitution and God's Covenant 10 Commandments).

The Iranian navy announced in March(?) that if war should come between US and Iran, Iran will sink the US Aircraft carriers because they are America's air power in the region. He went on to say that it will take 24 simultaneous strikes (by drones, planes, and ships or whatever to sink one). Their studies have shown that a carrier cannot defend itself against such a synchronized barrage. When Iran announced that they have studied how to sink our carriers the US joint chiefs laughed it off like they are the unsinkable Titanic.

All of this and the supporting documentation and so much more is in my recent book America, the Obama Nation. e-book $10 paperback $15

If you want to understand the formation of the image beast study the papal beast. From the territory comprising the Western Roman Empire, it took out the Arian Visigoths, Vandals, and Ostrogoths in a 30-year period. My study in Daniel identifies Reagan as the first king from the earth and Obama as the last. It has been 30-years since Reagan was President. As Daniel is repeating from the territory comprising the Eastern Roman Empire, America has taken out 2 Islamic countries (Afghanistan and Iraq with one to go to finish the tally of 3)

I hope this reply was worth your wait.

I once assumed that the papal beast having the number 666 was unimportant and that the number 666 must really identify the second beast with the lamblike horns.

Then with more prayer and study I reached the conclusion that for the image beast to be and image beast, they both had to have the number. Then I accepted the traditional SDA view of the papal 666.

Then when I studied the throne being cast down and set up in Daniel 7, I learned that it was not an either or question but Daniel was saying both. When the Babylonian thrones were cast Down, the Medo-Persian thrones were set up. When the Medo-Persian thrones were cast Down, the Greek thrones were set up. When the Greek thrones were cast Down, the pagan Roman thrones were set up. And when the pagan Roman thrones were cast Down, the papal Roman thrones were set up.

So when the papal Roman thrones were cast down, what thrones were set up? The USA.



When France cast down the papal thrones over all the churches and state in 1798, France then sold to America the vast sparsely uninhabited area the Louisiana (Territory) Purchase. An Identifying feature of the beast with lamblike horns - it will bring fire down from heaven upon the earth in the sight of eyewitnesses. Truman did that in WWII on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. He was from Missouri in the heart of the Louisiana Territory. And Obama will do it again.



When the papal Roman thrones over the churches and state were cast Down, the US purchased the Louisiana Territory and President Monroe set up the thrones in this sparsely populated part of the USA. Then in 1844 God took his seat upon His throne and the Judgment (IJ) began in heaven.

Consider the chart taken © 2015 from
America, The Obama Nation page 138:

President...................Letters in their names
James Monroe.............................11
John Quincy Adams......................15
Andrew Jackson II........................13
Martin Van Buren.........................14
William Henry Harrison..................20
John Tyler II...............................11
James Knox Polk..........................13
Zachary Taylor............................13
Millard Fillmore...........................15
Franklin Pierce............................14
James Buchanan II........................15
Abraham Lincoln..........................14
Andrew Johnson...........................13
Ulysses Simpson Grant....................19
Rutherford Birchard Hayes...............23
James Abram Garfield....................18
Chester Alan Arthur.......................17
Stephen Grover Cleveland................22
Benjamin Harrison.........................16
William McKinley II........................17
Theodore Roosevelt II....................19
William Howard Taft......................17
Woodrow Wilson...........................13
Warren Gamaliel Harding.................21
Calvin Coolidge............................14
Herbert Clark Hoover.....................18
Franklin Delano Roosevelt................23
Harry S. Truman............................12
Dwight David Eisenhower.................21
John Fitzgerald Kennedy..................21
Lyndon Baines Johnson...................19
Richard Milhous Nixon.....................19
Gerald Rudolph Ford II....................19
James Earl Carter II.......................17
Ronald Wilson Reagan.....................18
George Herbert Walker Bush............23
William Jefferson Clinton................23
George Walker Bush.......................16
Barack Hussein Obama II..................20
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The papacy is 666 and the number of his name is made up for the image beast.

Present Truth changes. For example: circumcision was Present Truth from Abraham until Christ.

When Christ fulfilled the law regarding circumcision, the Present Truth was that it is not required now.

The papacy fits the 666 scenario. That was Present Truth when it was discovered. But does light stop there?


The light on the papal 666 was Present Truth for yesterday, yesterday's meal. It is true and it had its purpose, but if we stop there, how will we understand what we need to know as the coming of our Lord draws near? Surely if we take the attitude that that is all there is, we will stunt our growth.

What happens if we get a new US president at the next elections?

Jesus must return within President Obama's presidency or else the interpretation is incorrect. Let's hope and pray it is not incorrect. Nevertheless, I am confident His Child will persevere and learn a way to adjust his interpretation to account for things if a new president is elected and Jesus hasn't returned.