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Re: What does "666" represent in Prophecy?
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W.S.Butterbaugh was a medical doctor living in Colorado who joined with Houteff and supported him in the early 1930's and onward -- his forward was simply to vindicate Houteff who based his ideas of 666 on this one passage.
I was searching for something else on the Internet and came across a Godsloveandlaw moniker defending Houteff. Someone gets around. With the same message. Regarding 666, one thing I came across, but have not found the Greek or Hebrew support for is: the first 6's are specified as 6 and 6 and the last 6 is as 60 giving 1260. Anyone hear anything like that before? Nebuchadnezzar's gold statue measured six cubits by six cubits (when only one measurement is given Babylonian geometry assumed a square) by 60 cubits tall. 6,6,60. "Nebuchadnezzar the king made an image of gold, whose height [was] threescore cubits, [and] the breadth thereof six cubits: he set it up in the plain of Dura, in the province of Babylon." Daniel 3:1
"...I will not forget you. Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands..."
Isaiah 49:15-16
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Re: What does "666" represent in Prophecy?
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M: Jesus must return within President Obama's presidency or else the interpretation is incorrect. Let's hope and pray it is not incorrect. Nevertheless, I am confident His Child will persevere and learn a way to adjust his interpretation to account for things if a new president is elected and Jesus hasn't returned.
HC: MM, we've been over this ground before. I have been wrong about some things before and I have been right that Benedict would not be pope in 2013 - HE MIGHT LAST TILL THE SPRING OF 2013? My view still has room for a new president for less than a year after Obama. But the prophecy that you most likely have not taken the time to study thoroughly in view of the new light presented would show that my posts are solidly based on Bible study. Nevertheless, I am confident you have not helped to get the word of warning out to others by your wishing that Jesus would come on the one hand and doubting that He will come during Obama's Presidency on the other. Will your faithless doubting account for your lack of studying to show yourself approved of God. When things that prophecy has foretold come to pass differently than you imagined and Jesus returns within Mr. Obama's term or shortly thereafter? Don't be to confident that you can afford to delay to do what must be done while we still have a Mediator pleading for us in the Sanctuary. The sins of omission are just as deadly as the sins of commission. I am sincere, His Child. I truly believe you will adjust your interpretation if it doesn't play out accordingly. I do not mean it as an insult. Sorry if it sounds like it. I am solid on the interpretation I subscribe to. I have no doubt it will play out accordingly. No doubt. Satan will deceive Catholics, Protestants, and worldlings through spiritualism leading them to believe the Sabbath has been moved to Sunday. Seventh-day Adventists will be blamed for the man-made and natural disasters devastating the planet. Jesus will return shortly thereafter. This is the message I practice and proclaim. The line of distinction between professed Christians and the ungodly is now hardly distinguishable. Church members love what the world loves and are ready to join with them, and Satan determines to unite them in one body and thus strengthen his cause by sweeping all into the ranks of spiritualism. Papists, who boast of miracles as a certain sign of the true church, will be readily deceived by this wonder-working power; and Protestants, having cast away the shield of truth, will also be deluded. Papists, Protestants, and worldlings will alike accept the form of godliness without the power, and they will see in this union a grand movement for the conversion of the world and the ushering in of the long-expected millennium. {GC 588.3}
Through spiritualism, Satan appears as a benefactor of the race, healing the diseases of the people, and professing to present a new and more exalted system of religious faith; but at the same time he works as a destroyer. His temptations are leading multitudes to ruin. Intemperance dethrones reason; sensual indulgence, strife, and bloodshed follow. Satan delights in war, for it excites the worst passions of the soul and then sweeps into eternity its victims steeped in vice and blood. It is his object to incite the nations to war against one another, for he can thus divert the minds of the people from the work of preparation to stand in the day of God. {GC 589.1}
Satan works through the elements also to garner his harvest of unprepared souls. He has studied the secrets of the laboratories of nature, and he uses all his power to control the elements as far as God allows. When he was suffered to afflict Job, how quickly flocks and herds, servants, houses, children, were swept away, one trouble succeeding another as in a moment. It is God that shields His creatures and hedges them in from the power of the destroyer. But the Christian world have shown contempt for the law of Jehovah; and the Lord will do just what He has declared that He would--He will withdraw His blessings from the earth and remove His protecting care from those who are rebelling against His law and teaching and forcing others to do the same. Satan has control of all whom God does not especially guard. He will favor and prosper some in order to further his own designs, and he will bring trouble upon others and lead men to believe that it is God who is afflicting them. {GC 589.2}
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Re: What does "666" represent in Prophecy?
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07/17/15 10:05 AM
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A great quote, MM. Satan appears as a benefactor of the race, healing the diseases of the people, and professing to present a new and more exalted system of religious faith; His claim to present a "more exalted system of religious faith" is shown by a majority vote at the recent GC session and by members of this forum. A former GC president Neal Wilson, warned us against the independent ministers presenting this exalted system of religious faith. His own son appears to have turned away from his own father's warnings and now approves of the systems his father warned us against. Certainly a fulfillment of prophecy and warnings of what will happen within the church before Jesus appears on a cloud of glory.
"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
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Re: What does "666" represent in Prophecy?
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07/18/15 12:18 PM
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A great quote, MM. Satan appears as a benefactor of the race, healing the diseases of the people, and professing to present a new and more exalted system of religious faith; His claim to present a "more exalted system of religious faith" is shown by a majority vote at the recent GC session and by members of this forum. A former GC president Neal Wilson, warned us against the independent ministers presenting this exalted system of religious faith. His own son appears to have turned away from his own father's warnings and now approves of the systems his father warned us against. Certainly a fulfillment of prophecy and warnings of what will happen within the church before Jesus appears on a cloud of glory. Indeed, prophecy is being fulfilled: SOP tells us that many will abandon our ranks in favor of the Beast. Neal Wilson, the so called leader who has no "...aversion to Roman Catholicism as such.". Appears to be one of them. Praise God the son has turned from his father's traitorous path! 1976: "Neal Wilson, President of the North American Division of SDA, gives this Sworn statement in the Silver-Tobler legal case involving the Seventh-day Adventist Church: Although it is true that there was a period in the life of the Seventh-day Adventist Church when the denomination took a distinctly anti-Roman Catholic viewpoint, and the term, hierarchy was used in a perjorative sense to refer to the papal form of church governance, that attitude on the Church’s part was nothing more than a manifestation of widespread anti-popery among conservative protestant denominations in the early part of this century and the latter part of the last, and which has now been assigned to the historical trash heap so far as the Seventh-day Adventist Church is concerned. Merikay McLeod lawsuit (P. 4, footnote #2, Docket Entry #84: EEOC vs PPPA C-74-2025 CBR). Sworn statement dated Feb.6, 1976. Further in the same brief: While, however, Adventist doctrine continues to teach that church government by one man is contrary to the Word of God, it is not good Seventh-day Adventism to express… an aversion to Roman Catholicism as such." (p. 30) “It is a backsliding church that lessens the distance between itself and the papacy.” Ellen White, Signs, Feb. 19, 1894.
"...I will not forget you. Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands..."
Isaiah 49:15-16
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Re: What does "666" represent in Prophecy?
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"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
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Re: What does "666" represent in Prophecy?
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"...I will not forget you. Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands..."
Isaiah 49:15-16
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Re: What does "666" represent in Prophecy?
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07/18/15 07:31 PM
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I was at least 60 km from home at the time this got posted
"Here is a last piece of advice. If you believe in goodness and if you value the approval of God, fix your minds on the things which are holy and right and pure and beautiful and good. Model your conduct on what you have learned from me, on what I have told you and shown you, and you will find the God of peace will be with you."
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Re: What does "666" represent in Prophecy?
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I am sincere, His Child. I truly believe you will adjust your interpretation if it doesn't play out accordingly. I do not mean it as an insult. Sorry if it sounds like it. I am solid on the interpretation I subscribe to. I have no doubt it will play out accordingly. No doubt. Satan will deceive Catholics, Protestants, and worldlings through spiritualism leading them to believe the Sabbath has been moved to Sunday. Seventh-day Adventists will be blamed for the man-made and natural disasters devastating the planet. Jesus will return shortly thereafter. This is the message I practice and proclaim.
MM If I am wrong, it will be a misreading of the Bible on my part. I might get embarrassed. If you're misreading the Scriptures and the Spirit of Prophecy, when the things that I warned of come to be, you will realize your error. But it may be too late to correct the errors that you held so dear or to place your influence on the side of a position that you once belittled and scoffed. Like those in Noah's day that waited until it started raining before they saw their errors. While Jesus is finishing His work in Heaven's Sanctuary, you would be blessed by a review of what I have to say to be sure that you understood my position and to be sure that you have not rejected truth that you failed to investigate thoroughly. "Those who become confused in their understanding of the Word, who fail to see the meaning of antichrist, will surely place themselves on the side of antichrist. There is no time now for us to assimilate with the world. Daniel is standing in his lot and in his place. The prophecies of Daniel and of John are to be understood. They interpret each other. They give to the world truths which every one should understand. These prophecies are to be witnesses in the world. By their fulfillment in these last days they will explain themselves." {7BC 949.6}
"Ignorance is sin, when knowledge can be obtained" (HR, September 1, 1866 par. 3). www.loudcry101.com
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Re: What does "666" represent in Prophecy?
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Other ideas:
2 phase matches.
1Kgs.10:14 Now the weight of gold that came to Solomon in one year was six hundred threescore and six talents of gold.
2 Chro. 9:13 Now the weight of gold that came to Solomon in one year was six hundred and threescore and six talents of gold;
Solomon brought so much gold into his country from other places that the whole amounted, every year, to 666 talents, an ominous number, compare Rev. 13:18, and Ezra 2:13. 2.
Rev.13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
Is Solomon in some way a representative of the 666 "man" of Revelation? This may indicate that the 666 may not be someone "pure evil" but rather someone(s) who started out as powerfully good.
1 kings 10 shows some more connecting links with Solomon and the beast Babylonian power of the end time. His wealth, commerce, luxury, "great riches"...
Solomon's throne had SIX steps and on each side of those steps were SIX lions for a total of 12 lions. (10:20)
Solomon began as a worshipper of the true God, and continued supporting that worship, BUT he also built shrines and temples for all the heathen gods around Jerusalem. (1 Kings 11:5-8)
The church in Rome started out as a strong witness for Christ, but then started incorporating all kinds of pagan things into their worship.
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Re: What does "666" represent in Prophecy?
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07/19/15 12:49 PM
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Other ideas:
2 phase matches.
1Kgs.10:14 Now the weight of gold that came to Solomon in one year was six hundred threescore and six talents of gold.
2 Chro. 9:13 Now the weight of gold that came to Solomon in one year was six hundred and threescore and six talents of gold;
Solomon brought so much gold into his country from other places that the whole amounted, every year, to 666 talents, an ominous number, compare Rev. 13:18, and Ezra 2:13. 2.
Tx for bringing this up. I was about to do the same. In these two texts 666 is related to gold which in those days and for the longest time was the currency of the world. It was their money. Paper money only came up I think in 1700s (don't recall the date anymore but not that long ago). Note that in Ezra 2:13 the sons of Adonikam(Lord of rising) is 666. Adoni means Lord and kam(koom) means rising. Rev.13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. Six is the number of man. The normal proportion of man is 6:1, however King Nebuchadnezzar statue of gold was hyped with a proportion of 10:1. The Lord does establish men as kings(Rom 13) however, we are not to hype ourself and acknowledge the King of kings and His laws. Any kings on earth or anyone with some authority over others do not have the right to usurpe the throne. Just a side note, King Nebuchednezzar did recognize the Lord as the King of kings at the end. This is also a type of what is to come. Dan 3:1 Nebuchadnezzar the king made an image of gold, the height of which was sixty cubits and its width six cubits; he set it up on the plain of Dura in the province of Babylon. Another thing to note is the numeric value of Dan 3:1 is exactly 4662 which is 666 x 7. Seven means "perfect". Without digressing about the meaning of 7 here, we can see a connection with Old Babylon's event in Dan 3 with Mystery Babylon's(2nd beast of Rev 13) event. Both brought up a statue, both required everyone to worship it. Is Solomon in some way a representative of the 666 "man" of Revelation? I disagree with this. I think King Nebuchenedzzar fit this parallele better. His kingdom (the Babylonian Kingdom) was a beast type of kingdom because the man Nebuchadnezzar who rule over men with a heart as a beast who ate "ate grass" like a beast -- meaning he ate men " for all flesh are like grass"1Pt 1:24). Solomon, despite he worshipped false gods as all of us did, doesn’t fit the Mystery Babylon template at all. 1 kings 10 shows some more connecting links with Solomon and the beast Babylonian power of the end time. His wealth, commerce, luxury, "great riches"... King David had the same….would you draw this parallele with him too? Solomon's throne had SIX steps and on each side of those steps were SIX lions for a total of 12 lions. (10:20) Lions represents rulers. Jesus had 12 disciples (2 sets of SIX) like Solomon steps. Solomon began as a worshipper of the true God, and continued supporting that worship, BUT he also built shrines and temples for all the heathen gods around Jerusalem. (1 Kings 11:5-8)
The church in Rome started out as a strong witness for Christ, but then started incorporating all kinds of pagan things into their worship. This is not exactly true. Solomon had the priviledge to have learn from David and started on the right foot from David's plans and learnings. Whereas the early church had to unlearn the teachings of men that they got from Judaism in those years and relearn from the Holy Spirit. So the comparison of their beginning are not similar. Also your conclusion is inaccurate and doesn't fit the order of the types that the Lord laid out. 3 main patterns : 1-Feast : i)Passover, ii)Pentecost, and iii)Tabernacle. 2-People : i)Congregation, ii)Levites, and iii)Priest 3-Kingdoms : i)Israel with no Kings, ii)King Saul & King David, iii)King Solomon I have already shown the connection of these (except for 3i) with scriptures in my previous posts and can elaborate for anyone who ask for more detail. For now, keep these in mind. After King Solomon the kingdom was divided until it was destroyed. We know a divided kingdom cannot stand. However, it was not all of Solomon's fault. The nation of Israel always worshipped false gods from the start. There were always some very few exception to this generalization, but as a nation, they were idols worshippers from the start. The failure of Israel including the kingdom of Saul, David & Solomon, was always in the Lord's plan to fail in some ways. However, their failures should not be our main focus, but to understand what the Lord still brought forth in these 3 kinds of types with the historical events of Israel with the feasts, the kingdom layout with its sacrificial services, and these kingdoms. The order of these overlay over each other, so we can see the Lord’s plan in various dimensions. You mention above that the Church of Rome was a type of Solomon; I disagree on that as it doesn’t fit the patterns above. The Church of Rome was a type of the Kingdom of Saul, not Solomon. Saul was crown on Pentecost, like the early Church started at Pentecost. They both started with an anointment of the Holy Spirit, but it wore off. They both ended up usurping the King of Kings position and right to rule, by disregarding the Lord’s laws and ruling as they pleased. Solomon does not fit this type at all. David on the other hand represents, the overcomers. David was persecuted 12 years by Saul, like the Church of Rome persecuted their own members. Solomon does not fit that type. David represents those that will rule with Christ. Note that David was not allowed to build the temple in his lifetime. This represents that we do not rule in our lifetime or in this corrupt body. Solomon Kingdom’s beginning was glorious. He build the temple and the glory of God was fully manifested. Solomon tied himself with all nations "by marriage"(symbolic) who came to see the kingdom and his wisdom in judgment. This is the type of the coming kingdom in the millennium where Isaiah said “ AV Isa 2:3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem. 4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.The name Solomon means peace. Solomon's Kingdom was a Kingdom of peace. That's what Isaiah 2 prophecied of the coming kingdom.
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