The sixty and two weeks in verse 26 is the last part of the 69 weeks in verse 25. The righteousness of Christ fulfilled on the earth and His opening the Heavenly Sanctuary to all mankind fulfills the everlasting righteousness of Christ in verse 24. So, all has been fulfilled in the seventy weeks or 490 year prophecy of Daniel 9.

Ok...let's look into that a little.

1st angel message == would be equivalent to the Passover message(since you applied the blood of Jesus on your heart altar in your body temple which is an equivalence of worshiping Jesus the Creator=1st Angel message)

2nd angel message == Pentecost message (since we are to get out of the confusion of Babylon that only can be accomplish via the personal teaching of the Holy Spirit who is the only ONE that can tell you what is truth and what is not).

3rd angel message == Tabernacle message

So having the two cleansing at Passover & Pentecost, this is NOT according to the Type of the two Doves that I was saying representing the 1st coming that Christ fulfilled the spring feasts (==Passover & Pentecost) and at His 2nd coming Christ fulfills the fall feasts (== Tabernacle).

But it doesn't mean that the 1st & 2nd angel message doesn't match other cleansing laws found in the books of Moses. One that came to mind .... is the law of cleansing after child birth. For a female double cleansing is required versus a male a single cleansing is required. I believe these laws are as prophetic as any other laws. That would be interesting to look at for the 2nd coming of Christ is about birthing the body of Christ who are the 144K -- the overcomers-- the high Priests family -- the rulers with Christ.


I wouldn't make such association. Mixing these two temples with the Feasts....they are not the same. The feasts is about the 3 level of spiritual growth; whereas the temple represents the body of an individual or the corporate group.


I don't know if we can say that their atonement is complete. We know that the atonement is only a covering. Something to think about... Right now I don't know.

I know this far ... once we get out of Pentecost, we enter Tabernacle. And then like Jacob who entered Tabernacle after his struggle with the Angel...wasn't changed.... he had to wait like Abraham, David and all other overcomers for the 1st resurrection for really entering Tabernacle is a Corporate experience... So even yu have entered Tabernacle individually, all individuals have to wait for the 1st corporate fulfillment of Tabernacle. Notice I supersize 1st, because their are 3 harvest in the law -- thus 3 corporate tabernacle experiences.....

and when the 1st group, the 144k, does enter Tabernacle at Jesus 2nd coming..... they[we] are responsible to shepherd--care for the sheep and the goats of the Lord. Like Jacob who entered Tabernacle, had to build sukkoths for the Lords sheeps & goats that was put under his charge.

My impression, it is only at the end of Jubilee will everyone (including the 144k) truly will be all released despite they have gotten their immortal robes before all others. Those that enter Tabernacle (the 144k) first .... have no personal possession whatsover -- the law says "the Lord is their possession".... meaning the business of the Lord is now their ONLY possession and business.


I do agree that it will be via the 144k that the latter rain will come. But keep in mind that it requires two Doves to cleanse the world's body temple.... that represents the two cleansing work of Christ in His 1st coming and 2nd coming. Christ 2nd coming only starts happening when the 144K comes ....

And how long do you think this 2nd "live" cleansing work will last? Since only one Jubilee week-thousand year has passed (6000 years + the first Millenium rest that we are about to enter).... I expect this 2nd "live" cleansing work will last another 6 weeks-thousand years which is another 6 x 7000 = 42000 years after the Millennium so we can arrive to the Great Jubilee of end time...when all debts are finally cancelled whether fully paid or not and everyone is restored back to their original estate.

Jerusalem fell in 605 BC







From the 605 fall of Jerusalem, the doubling of the 70-years (140-years) ended in 465, which was Artaxerxes ascension year. His first year began the next year (464 BC).



2300 days prophetically speaking using a 360 day/year are
6 years
4 months
20 days



6 years had past it was the 7th year of King Artaxerxes
4 months and 20 days had ended...it was the 5th month of Artaxerxes

From the fall of 605 Jerusalem 70 years had ended, they had been doubled to 140 years that had ended, and when 2300 literal days were ended Ezra was in Jerusalem in time for the cleansing of the newly rebuilt Temple...the cleansing of the sanctuary, or the great Day of Atonement, occurred on the tenth day of the seventh Jewish month, [Leviticus 16:29-34.]





The literal 2300 days ended in 457 BC
From 457 BC, the 2300 years ended in 1843
From 457 BC, the 2300 years ended a second time in 1844
The 2300 years ended twice
If either date 1843 or 1844 is rejected the tarrying time that fulfilled prophecy is made void



The cleansing of the Sanctuary BEGAN in 1844. The Sanctuary will not be cleansed until Jesus states “It is done” (Revelation 21:6)




the 2300 years ended in 1844 but the 2300 day prophecy will not end until the Sanctuary is cleansed when Jesus states "it is done"





Jesus is yet to declare that the Sanctuary has been cleansed

OK, let's consider that HC. Where do you think we stand now and why?

Two tracks leading away from the foundational truths of Adventism.
1. Time setting, trying to rework the time lines to predict end time events.
2. Following the great Israel deception that will sweep the world.



The Song
The Holy City
I have sung that song on numerous occasions, even made a power point of pictures to go along as the words are sung.

The song is NOT about the city so much as it is about our Savior.

The first verse --
The Setting is "old Jerusalem" -- picture the triumphal entry.
Why are the children singing and why do the angels join the song? It's because the promised Messiah has come to Old Jerusalem. He came --

BUT

Second verse
Messiah is rejected
Hushed are the glad Hosannas as the shadow of the cross arose upon a lonely hill.

Third verse
we no longer see Old Jerusalem -- old Jerusalem is no longer part of Messiah's story.
This is a picture of the NEW EARTH!
Now it's the "NEW JERUSALEM" beside the tideless sea!
Picture Jesus standing at the wide open pearly gates, welcoming the redeemed. This city will never pass away, for it is the New Jerusalem from heaven.

Old Jerusalem is the deceiver's trump card.
He will make it appear old Jerusalem is part of salvation's end-time program, but it is not. The great deceiver has many deceived into this program. This deceptive teaching has permeated just the core of Christian prophetic thinking! And I tremble to see these things pushed forward as truth on a forum for Adventists.

A supposed Messiah will probably appear and bring the promise of peace to that battered old city, but it won' be our Savior. People will cry out, "Christ has come, Christ has come" Things are ingeniously being shaped to use old Jerusalem as a powerful, deceptive counterfeit for the false prophet of Revelation to deceive the world, when scripture plainly tells us we are to look to the New Jerusalem now, not old Jerusalem

Several of you believe in dreams --
A vivid dream --

The world is in turmoil and great distress, but over in Palestine there is a light. A huge, shiny gate stands open and all the people are eagerly saying "come, let's go to the light, there we will find peace and safety." They joyfully follow charismatic leaders and head for the gate. Some on the sidelines raise their voice and cry, "No, it's a deception" but these are ridiculed, or worse, beaten.
Time lapse -- now people are streaming out of the gate, they are downcast, walking in a lifeless stupor, all joy and hope has disappeared from their faces, that gate is black and dark like a deadly tomb.

When the Jewish nation as a nation rejected the Messiah back in 34 AD, the prophecies outlining what COULD of been had they accepted the Messiah, were not and will not be fulfilled in old Jerusalem. They will meet a more perfect fulfillment, in part in the church, and complete in the New Jerusalem.

I can only urge you -- don't follow the "false prophet" which our understanding of Revelation identifies as the popular churches in the USA. Their interpretation of prophecy is deadly

Remember:
Revelation 19:20 And the beast (Papal power) was taken, and with him the false prophet ( prophet interpretation of USA Christians) that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image..

The judgment hour began 22 October 1844 after the tarrying time ended (1843-1844).

How long is the judgment hour?



Thus the times in Revelation are definite, not mystical and unintelligible, and God would have us to understand them.

Under some circumstances, a prophetic day can depict a year (cf Numbers 14:34, Ezekiel 4:6), and the reverse must also be true since Daniel wrote of the end of the 7 years in Daniel 4 as if they were the end of the days. In the big picture, “one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day” (2 Peter 3:8, cf Psalm 90:4). Thus from Daniel 4, it can be understood that Satan’s insane rebellion against God and the sin problem (like the one that Daniel advised the king of Babylon to correct) is limited to 7,000 years.



Josiah Litch deciphered Revelation 9’s time prophecy by using a 24-hour day. Likewise, the duration of the Judgment Hours for the dead and the living are explained using a 12-hour day (3. A twelfth part of the day-time, an hour).

1000 years / 12 (hours) = 83 years 4 months

The 22 October 1844 Judgment Hour of the DEAD ended 83 years 4 months later on 22 February 1928.

During this hour the papacy was dead. It had received the DEADLY WOUND in 1798 so it was dead at the beginning of the Judgment Hour (22 October 1844). And it remained dead through the entire Judgment Hour of the DEAD that ended 22 February 1928. When the Judgment Hour of the DEAD ended there was a tarrying time in which Mussolini healed papal Babylon’s deadly wound. By mid-summer of 1929, papal Babylon was alive again!

At the appointed time, the 1929 Day of Atonement (14 October 1929) the papacy was now alive and the Judgment Hour of the LIVING BEGAN. It continued 83 years 4 months to 14 February 2013.



The Judgment Hour of the living beast began 14 October 1929 after the seven heads (the popes became kings and received their kingdom) Popes Pius XI & XII, John XXIII, Paul VI, John-Paul I & II, and Benedict XVI. The kings of the prophetic earth (America) that have committed fornication with the beast were the ten horns the American Presidents from Truman (the papacy put him in office) through Bill Clinton. The Judgment Hour of the living beast ended on 14 February 2013.

Days later Pope Benedict resigned at the end of his "Short time" which was less than 7 years (the number of completeness). He finished John-Paul II's last year thru 28 March 2006 and then began his solo reign 29 March 2006 thru 28 February 2013... 1 month and 1 day short of 7 years.

Thus the cases of the dead and living have been decided.



Since the HOUR allotted to judge the dead and the living have ended should we not be at the end of probation?

As someone who places the trumpets and seals and most of Revelation in the future, I wonder sometimes if some aspects of prophecy aren't being fulfilled now or in the recent past without generally being recognized. For example, has the first seal already been broken without our being aware of it? So I'm open to the kinds of things you raise above. Thanks for sharing HC. I'm just not persuaded.

I've not been called to persuade anyone. That is the Holy Spirit's office. I just share my studies. Regarding revelation:

I've thought for years that Ellen White knew much more than what she shared.

Regarding the bolded part above, she's referring to the Investigative Judgment no doubt but I think other things as well. What those are is hard to say.