It would be more truthful for you to say "I've been REJECTING HC's (Henry's) posts for approximately twenty years now."

The record is very clear. You must also remember one of our discussions where I misspoke and you posted a "thesis" that focused on my typo. But when I read your post, I immediately corrected the typo and my position was proven to be correct, BUT you refused to allow my reply to be posted on your forum and your error was allowed to stand. Had you been more willing to dialog through the years rather than to criticize, we both may have been blessed.



God's promise is that knowledge of the book of Daniel would increase. Before knowledge increased I did not understand everything about Bill Clinton. But I did understand how his affair with Monica fulfilled prophecy. So you remember the part I got wrong but not the part that I got right.

When Bill Clinton left office I expected Albert (6) Arnold (6) Gore II (6) to be elected President and he was, but George (6) Walker (6) Bush (4) stole the election from him with the help of the judges that his dad appointed to the Supreme Court. Then George (6) Walker (6) (President) Bush II (6) was the last man that I could see in the prophecy. I had to study some more.

Then between September 2011 to September 2012, I correctly stated (tweeted it 8 times) that Pope Benedict would not be pope after the the Spring of 2013 and he left office in February 2013. Knowledge is increasing.

I had to go back to see how President Barack Obama fit into the prophecy. Then knowledge increased and I learned how his number was (666) but President Trump now makes it look like I have not learned anything yet. But he is fulfilling prophecy and strengthening America's position on the world stage.

Knowledge is increasing. I called Brexit before it happened. And I understood when the "Other Angel" began to sound and the time allotted for the Judgment of the Living ended.

If President Trump lasts in office past 19 January 2018, I will have been wrong about my understanding about Bible prophecy. From my current understanding by 19 January 2018 Obama will have to be back in office or Christ will have to Come.

Because God's word is sure. When the vision in Daniel 7 that has been used traditionally to interpret the interpretation, the final meaning of the prophecy is different than when the interpretation is used to interpret the vision. Sea and earth are not the same. Sea beasts are not earth kings. Sea and earth are different.

And you look at the record and see major mistakes. I keep studying and praying to learn and to grow in Jesus and my understanding increases.

As knowledge continues to increase, I will continue to adjust my understanding accordingly.

Can you say the same thing of yourself? Have you ever ventured forth in faith? Have you ever grown beyond making insinuations and accusations that distort my views? Have you ever really reasoned with me? I have not seen it through the last 20 years.

As I said in the other thread, "whether or not Ellen White was referring specifically to just calculating the time of the second coming, the act of calculating events since 1844 does end up being an attempt to do exactly that through a route of reasoning by elimination."


Do you see what this is? You've set a deadline for Jesus's second coming - and this isn't the first one I've seen from you.

Even if you were right about what Ellen White meant about calculating time, this is still just what she said not to do and is the real point of time prophecies after 1844. Every attempt I know of to calculate time post 1844, whether by presidents, popes, or jubilees, leads one directly to an attempt to calculate, even if approximately, the approach of the second coming if not the exact date.

And if Christ has not come and Obama is not in office, then what? Are those that reject Henry's teaching still evil?

The preaching of a definite time for the judgment, in the giving of the first message, was ordered by God. The computation of the prophetic periods on which that message was based, placing the close of the 2300 days in the autumn of 1844, stands without impeachment. The repeated efforts to find new dates for the beginning and close of the prophetic periods, and the unsound reasoning necessary to sustain these positions, not only lead minds away from the present truth, but throw contempt upon all efforts to explain the prophecies. The more frequently a definite time is set for the second advent, and the more widely it is taught, the better it suits the purposes of Satan. After the time has passed, he excites ridicule and contempt of its advocates, and thus casts reproach upon the great advent movement of 1843 and 1844. Those who persist in this error will at last fix upon a date too far in the future for the coming of Christ. Thus they will be led to rest in a false security, and many will not be undeceived until it is too late. {GC 457.1}

The history of ancient Israel is a striking illustration of the past experience of the Adventist body. God led His people in the advent movement, even as He led the children of Israel from Egypt. In the great disappointment their faith was tested as was that of the Hebrews at the Red Sea. Had they still trusted to the guiding hand that had been with them in
their past experience, they would have seen the salvation of God. If all who had labored unitedly in the work in 1844, had received the third angel's message and proclaimed it in the power of the Holy Spirit, the Lord would have wrought mightily with their efforts. A flood of light would have been shed upon the world. Years ago the inhabitants of the earth would have been warned, the closing work completed, and Christ would have come for the redemption of His people. {GC 457.2}

It was not the will of God that Israel should wander forty years in the wilderness; He desired to lead them directly to the land of Canaan and establish them there, a holy, happy people. But "they could not enter in because of unbelief." Hebrews 3:19.

Unbelief is still rampant. Who is teaching the final message of mercy to the world? So HC, I don't see in your teaching the real message needed for this time.

He appears to post, on average, 1 or 2 new dates per year.

I would agree, but I am wondering if we should not meet error of the likes of His Child's with scripture, and then show how the testimonies concur with same. Not too much Scripture is being used in replies here, and its turning into a whipping match with EGW quotes. Note: I do not claim to have "better answers" here than anyone else, nor do I claim to be an expert. This is just something I noticed. If we hope to be convincing anyone from the general public who may read this, they would understand it much better when we reply to HCs errors with why the Bible says his take is wrong.

Yes she says that too, I agree, and then as HC also points out she also says we're to know when it's getting near.

HC, I could be wrong but it still seems to me that your first sentence contradicts your second. What you are saying does have some biblical basis. The apostles taught that believers are sealed for the day of redemption so in one sense it sounds like they have been judged and their name entered on the books, but they also make clear that the individual can remove his or her own name by not abiding in Christ. It's like God has destined us for eternal life with Him, His choice has been made, but we still can choose to thwart our own destiny.

It's interesting that Ellen White refers to the seven sealed book as the book of man's destiny if I remember right.

Also HC I think there is some basis for your claim that prophet time, the day/year principle ended in 1844 not literal time prophecies. I'd be interested in what others have to say on that point. I'm sure most would say "prophetic time" means "prophetic time" whether day/year or literal. So what do you say to that HC?

By the way I just reviewed your post again on this at the bottom of page 5 and you give some reasons but don't quote the passages. I'd be grateful if you gave an example or two of her use of the phrase "prophetic time" and/or that quote you mentioned about worldly men asserting that all prophecies are lies.

Definitely! We know the time is near! The signs are all around us. However, focusing on "time messages" to map out time till Christ comes, is not what we are counseled to do at this time.
The message is that we live everyday in expectation that Christ is coming VERY soon.

In fact she says the very things the time setters accuse those who reject their time predictions, will actually happen, not to those who reject their times, but to the time setters themself. They will eventually set a time (doesn't have to be an exact date, just a time period) too far in the future, and they will "relax" in false security thinking it won't be for a specified time yet, and they won't be ready.





The final events will be rapid ones --
They could begin any day, with overwhelming surprise.
Are we living every day with watching and prayer in expectation of Christ's soon coming, or are we neglecting the important things and spending the time mapping out a time table for the Lord to do His work.

We don't know how long God will tell His angels to continue to hold back the winds of strife -- because there are still people out there who haven't made that full commitment to Him yet.

Good point Dedication.