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Re: David Gates' prediction re Spring 2019
[Re: ProdigalOne]
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12/10/18 05:41 PM
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While "imminent" and "soon" may have somewhat similar meanings, the connotations are far different. "Soon" registers as relaxed, even lackadaisical: your food will be here soon; this movie is coming soon... Whereas, "imminent" invokes a solemn sense of immediacy, urgency, uncertainty, even peril!
ProdigalOne, In light of what you just said, what would you say in regards to it's been 100 years now, a period of time Gates mentioned as being "soon"? And regarding what APL said, although Gates did say he wasn't setting a date, (then proceeded to say maybe), when nothing happens this spring, what will others conclude about Adventists, about Gates? Firstly, when considered on a 6000 year scale, 100 years is a drop in the bucket. Secondly, didn’t Sister White say something to the effect that if the church had faithfully given the Midnight Cry, that Jesus would have already returned? That sounds “imminent” to me. But not "soon"? Do you believe that Jesus will delay His coming for another 100 years? Is it possible that He will come within the next year? 2 years? 5 years? How long should we wait, before we give the warning that His coming is “near, even at the door”? Is it possible that, as with the Midnight Cry spoken of by Sister White, God is waiting for us to step out in faith?
What the rest you say is all good and all, but we were talking the so called big deal about changing "imminent" with "soon". Question: Did Gates use "100 years" in reference to implying "soon"?
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Re: David Gates' prediction re Spring 2019
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12/10/18 05:47 PM
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Why do you beg for forgiveness but deny it to the lesbian? Is God not still working with the lesbian, too?
JAK, Do you think the woman Jesus was addressing had a desire to stop sinning? Do you think the lesbian had a desire to stop sinning.
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Re: David Gates' prediction re Spring 2019
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12/11/18 12:22 AM
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JAK, Do you think the woman Jesus was addressing had a desire to stop sinning? Do you think the lesbian had a desire to stop sinning. Now how the hell would I know that, kland? I cannot believe you and ProdigalOne keep defending your judgemental and hypocritical position re: baptizing the lesbian woman. Actually, let me rephrase that: I have actually come to expect nothing else from you. I plead Rule #57 on BOTH of you.
"All that is Gold does not Glitter, Not all who Wander are Lost." (J.R.R.T.)
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Re: David Gates' prediction re Spring 2019
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12/11/18 12:56 AM
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It's pretty clear both of you see the church as a country club for saints rather than a hospital for sinners.
"All that is Gold does not Glitter, Not all who Wander are Lost." (J.R.R.T.)
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Re: David Gates' prediction re Spring 2019
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12/11/18 02:50 PM
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Hospitals are in the business of HEALING sinners. And just like hospitals, doctors and nurses only aid the healing process, God does the healing, if we let Him. Unfortunately, many who should be aiding the process are actually hindering...
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: David Gates' prediction re Spring 2019
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12/12/18 02:10 PM
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JAK, Do you think the woman Jesus was addressing had a desire to stop sinning? Do you think the lesbian had a desire to stop sinning. Now how the hell would I know that, kland? I asked, what do you think. You answered, how would you know. A sorry situation to be in....
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Re: David Gates' prediction re Spring 2019
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12/12/18 02:17 PM
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If a smoker comes in to the hospital complaining about his lungs or some other serious condition, do you think the doctor is in the wrong for refusing to treat him if the smoker sees no problem with his smoking, nor have any desire to even try to quit or even to attempt to reduce his smoking?
Ooops, there I go again asking you what you think. How could you possibly know what you think.
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Re: David Gates' prediction re Spring 2019
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12/12/18 03:27 PM
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"All that is Gold does not Glitter, Not all who Wander are Lost." (J.R.R.T.)
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Re: David Gates' prediction re Spring 2019
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12/14/18 12:48 AM
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Thanks for that link to Pastor Bohr's reply. It gives the Gates followers something to think about. True, David has raised expectations and misapplied prophecies in the past. Prime example is the two 7 seven year periods in Pharaoh's dream. It makes you wonder doesn't it how his influence keeps growing by leaps and bounds. I think the answer is 1) that the average person who is keen on seeing Christ return can see his humility and that he has a heart of gold and has proven his devotion and unselfishness. 2) God continues to miraculously bless his ministry. A few weeks ago God clearly spared his life in a plane crash where airplane fuel covered the crash site but didn't ignite.
It took Abraham (who had Sarah lie twice to save his life) several years to learn the lessons of faith God was trying to teach him. Gates is learning like all of us. He wants to be a faithful servant and give us meat in due season, and in his zeal he sometimes has read more into events and scripture than is justified. So yes, let's be cautious and take his message to the test of scripture. One thing is clear when we do that: right or wrong about the spring of 2019, the scriptures agree that Daniel 12 applies to the end in literal time. That friends is a truth whose time is come imo. And if that's so, we're near it's fulfillment or possibly already in it.
I was thinking today, what if the spring of 2019 is actually the end of the 1260 days of Daniel 12 running from the fall of 2015, and not the beginning of them? At first I was about to dismiss the idea out of hand, but the more I think about it, the more I'm constrained not to do that.
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