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Re: Apostasy of a most startling nature....
[Re: Rick H]
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03/18/19 02:45 PM
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Everyone does; there is no need to single out Green. He sees things different than you. Just state your position without attacking other forum members. It takes effort to create a safe environment for discussion. Maybe you have not been here long enough. I won't pull out my greenisms now.
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: Apostasy of a most startling nature....
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APL; I am still interested to hear from you about scripture that supports what you said about how "sin killed Jesus." I did enclose several texts which reflect varied perspectives on the death of Christ. Just wondering how you see it. Here are a few: Matthew 5:17; Luke 16:17; Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12; Isaiah 41:10; Ephesians 2:15; 2 Corinthians 5:21; Romans 8:3; 1 Peter 2:24; Hebrews 2:14; Philippians 2:5-7; Galatians 4:4-5; Matthew 8:17; Hebrews 4:15; Philippians 2:7; Isaiah 53:12; Romans 6:23; 1 Corinthians 15:56; James 1:15; Isaiah 53:6 and particularly, John 14:9. If my view of God does not fit the last one, they quite simply, I'd be wrong.
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: Apostasy of a most startling nature....
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03/18/19 03:09 PM
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Maybe you have not been here long enough. I won't pull out my greenisms now. In fact I have been here substantially longer than you have; that point means nothing. Maybe you are unwilling to actively and intentionally create a safe environment for all posters. Please confine your comments to moving the discussion in a positive direction.
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Re: Apostasy of a most startling nature....
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APL; I am still interested to hear from you about scripture that supports what you said about how "sin killed Jesus." I did enclose several texts which reflect varied perspectives on the death of Christ. Just wondering how you see it. Here are a few: Matthew 5:17; Luke 16:17; Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12; Isaiah 41:10; Ephesians 2:15; 2 Corinthians 5:21; Romans 8:3; 1 Peter 2:24; Hebrews 2:14; Philippians 2:5-7; Galatians 4:4-5; Matthew 8:17; Hebrews 4:15; Philippians 2:7; Isaiah 53:12; Romans 6:23; 1 Corinthians 15:56; James 1:15; Isaiah 53:6 and particularly, John 14:9. If my view of God does not fit the last one, they quite simply, I'd be wrong. I appreciate the effort you went to to post this. I have looked at the first couple so far, nothing that says "sin killed Jesus." Or dod I not get the point?
"The worst foes of my spiritual life have never been hostile circumstance." "There is always a little bit of light" (Micah 7:8) https://www.lightintheclouds.net/wordSincerely, IN Christ; and THROUGH The Spirit - The Wanderer
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Re: Apostasy of a most startling nature....
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03/18/19 04:51 PM
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I appreciate the effort you went to to post this. I have looked at the first couple so far, nothing that says "sin killed Jesus." Or dod I not get the point? SIN, when IT is full grown, brings death. Sin pays it wage. It is not God. Do YOU have anything to bring to the table on this? Look at the sacrificial system, now did the victims die? The the High Priest kill the lambs? It was the SINNER. The sinner brings the death upon himself. God destroys no man. And if you have seen the life and character of Father revealed by the Son, then you know what God is really like.
Oh, that men might open their minds to know God as he is revealed in his Son! {ST, January 20, 1890}
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Re: Apostasy of a most startling nature....
[Re: Green Cochoa]
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03/18/19 07:22 PM
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There are, naturally, passages that seem nearly opposite those which APL likes to quote relative to Christ's atonement. Here is one of them.
Yep. And God murdered Saul for talking to a woman. 1 Chronicles 10:13,14
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Re: Apostasy of a most startling nature....
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03/18/19 07:25 PM
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Maybe you have not been here long enough. I won't pull out my greenisms now. In fact I have been here substantially longer than you have; that point means nothing. APL: Registered: 01/31/11 Nadi: Registered: 07/16/16
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Re: Apostasy of a most startling nature....
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03/18/19 08:11 PM
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APL: Registered: 01/31/11
Nadi: Registered: 07/16/16
Yes, well the name "Nadi" has been posting since 07/16/16. The person who posts as "Nadi" had been posting since 2002.
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Re: Apostasy of a most startling nature....
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03/18/19 08:12 PM
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APL: Registered: 01/31/11
Nadi: Registered: 07/16/16
Yes, well the name "Nadi" has been posting since 07/16/16. The person who posts as "Nadi" had been posting since 2002. I freely admit, I am mixed up now. lol Are there 2 Nadis? 
"The worst foes of my spiritual life have never been hostile circumstance." "There is always a little bit of light" (Micah 7:8) https://www.lightintheclouds.net/wordSincerely, IN Christ; and THROUGH The Spirit - The Wanderer
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Re: Apostasy of a most startling nature....
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03/18/19 08:16 PM
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There are, naturally, passages that seem nearly opposite those which APL likes to quote relative to Christ's atonement. Here is one of them.
Yep. And God murdered Saul for talking to a woman. 1 Chronicles 10:13,14 2. (1Ch_10:3-6) Saul dies in battle. The battle became fierce against Saul. The archers hit him, and he was wounded by the archers. Then Saul said to his armorbearer, “Draw your sword, and thrust me through with it, lest these uncircumcised men come and abuse me.” But his armorbearer would not, for he was greatly afraid. Therefore Saul took a sword and fell on it. And when his armorbearer saw that Saul was dead, he also fell on his sword and died. So Saul and his three sons died, and all his house died together.
"The worst foes of my spiritual life have never been hostile circumstance." "There is always a little bit of light" (Micah 7:8) https://www.lightintheclouds.net/wordSincerely, IN Christ; and THROUGH The Spirit - The Wanderer
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