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Re: Apostasy of a most startling nature.... [Re: The Wanderer] #188835
03/20/19 09:41 AM
03/20/19 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted By: The Wanderer
Originally Posted By: kland
Of course you are correct. Students of the Bible would readily understand that. The Bible verse directly and distinctly says God killed Saul. However the Bible, when one sets out to understand it, says differently than what one may attempt to make it say. The comment was to Green, and if you knew the background of past conversations, you would see it hit on two (or more) issues dealing with him.
Does the Bible contradict itself? Is there a reason for this "paradox" that we are seeing? Or, would you call it something else? I agree, the text says that. But when it says that, what does it mean?
Exactly what I'm saying!

Re: Apostasy of a most startling nature.... [Re: Nadi] #188872
03/23/19 04:30 PM
03/23/19 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted By: Nadi
Originally Posted By: kland
I believe Nadi is admitting he is in violation of having multiple registrations.

Yeah, that would be General Forum Rule #12.
However, it is hardly as nefarious as one would hope. Truth is that I get frustrated by the un-Christian atmosphere and stupidity and arrogance of some of the posters here and take a break from participation. After I calm down I return to the forum, but by that time I have forgotten my username and password, so I make a new one.

No big deal.

Especially in light of the fact that General Rule #7, and Conduct Rules #2, 3, 4, 5, 6, and 7 are violated on a regular basis, often by the moderators themselves, and violent and abusive posters are allowed to carry on much longer than they should. JAK and James Son of Thunder come to mind, for example.

So no one really gives a rat's _ _ _ about rules or Christian conduct, which is why I am trying again, as "Nadi" (which, by the way ProdigalOne, was taken from the Spanish for "nobody" or "nothing") and exhorting all participants (including Nadi) to examine their posts and attitudes to ensure a safe and Christian environment for all posters.

It is up to us, as ADULT, CHRISTIAN posters, to create the environment that we want and that reflects our Christian values, since Daryl and his moderators cannot or will not enforce the rules of conduct.

I have contacted several of the posters who used to post here to see if they could return and help build a positive environment. Everyone who responded said the same thing: "Maritime is too dark and negative for me."

I'm sure I'll get flamed for this post, and everyone will get their hackles up and be all offended and defensive, but you know I'm right on both points: 1-The forum is dark and un-Christian and 2-it is up to the participants to change that.



Yes Nadi, "My Name Is Nobody", very clever. I parsed your name months ago, when I realized that you were yet another in the long line of those who come here to attack the faith of Seventh Day Adventists from the safety of the shadows. Although, I will credit you with being subtler than most.

It is easy to decry the "un-Christian atmosphere and stupidity" (what did Jesus tell us about calling others stupid? "but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire." Matthew 5:22) "and arrogance of some of the posters here" when you refrain from sharing your denominational affiliation with us. If you are Catholic, perhaps a discussion of church tradition superseding scriptural authority would be in order? If you are Charismatic or Pentecostal, we could discuss present day employment of tongues versus its use during the apostolic period? If you fall back on the old "I'm just a sinner saved by grace" non-denominational trope, we could discuss the authority behind Sunday keeping?

Nadi, you gave, "the SDA church really does not tolerate questioning The Prophet or The Doctrines" as a reason for anonymity, so perhaps you are a disgruntled employee of an SDA Division? If so, we could discuss what has led you to become so disillusioned with Seventh Day Adventism? I have no quarrel with pen names, only with hidden affiliations and the shady motives that so often accompany them.


I suppose it is easier to criticize the faith of others without allowing them an equal opportunity to examine yours? Since, you haven’t replied to my question on pages 2 or 5 of this thread, I will ask it again. In the interest of fair, open, and honest discussion, will you do us the curtesy of sharing your denominational affiliation?




"...I will not forget you.
Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands..."

Isaiah 49:15-16
Re: Apostasy of a most startling nature.... [Re: ProdigalOne] #188876
03/24/19 09:22 AM
03/24/19 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted By: ProdigalOne
Nadi, you gave, "the SDA church really does not tolerate questioning The Prophet or The Doctrines" as a reason for anonymity, so perhaps you are a disgruntled employee of an SDA Division? If so, we could discuss what has led you to become so disillusioned with Seventh Day Adventism? I have no quarrel with pen names, only with hidden affiliations and the shady motives that so often accompany them.


I suppose it is easier to criticize the faith of others without allowing them an equal opportunity to examine yours? Since, you haven’t replied to my question on pages 2 or 5 of this thread, I will ask it again. In the interest of fair, open, and honest discussion, will you do us the curtesy of sharing your denominational affiliation?




Perhaps This should be posted in a thread called Nadi. Unless your point is that Nadi is bringing the "Apostasy of a most startling nature."

ProdigalOne is probably not a real name either


"Ignorance is sin, when knowledge can be obtained" (HR, September 1, 1866 par. 3). www.loudcry101.com
Re: Apostasy of a most startling nature.... [Re: ProdigalOne] #188881
03/24/19 10:59 AM
03/24/19 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted By: ProdigalOne
Nadi, you gave, "the SDA church really does not tolerate questioning The Prophet or The Doctrines" as a reason for anonymity, ...

SDA, generally speaking, indeed do not tolerate any skepticism about Ellen White. Desmond Ford tried to show that the EGW doctrine of an IJ was not Biblical and he was excommunicated from the pulpit.

///

Re: Apostasy of a most startling nature.... [Re: James Peterson] #188884
03/24/19 03:24 PM
03/24/19 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted By: James Peterson
Originally Posted By: ProdigalOne
Nadi, you gave, "the SDA church really does not tolerate questioning The Prophet or The Doctrines" as a reason for anonymity, ...

SDA, generally speaking, indeed do not tolerate any skepticism about Ellen White. Desmond Ford tried to show that the EGW doctrine of an IJ was not Biblical and he was excommunicated from the pulpit.

///
and HOW would you prove this "James?"


"The worst foes of my spiritual life have never been hostile circumstance."

"There is always a little bit of light" (Micah 7:8)
https://www.lightintheclouds.net/word

Sincerely, IN Christ; and THROUGH The Spirit


- The Wanderer
Re: Apostasy of a most startling nature.... [Re: The Wanderer] #188885
03/24/19 04:02 PM
03/24/19 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted By: The Wanderer
and HOW would you prove this "James?"

By "this" do you mean:
1. SDA, generally speaking, indeed do not tolerate any skepticism about Ellen White.

or

2.the EGW doctrine of an IJ was not Biblical


"Our vision is often more obstructed by what we think we know than by our lack of knowledge." K. Stendahl
Re: Apostasy of a most startling nature.... [Re: Nadi] #188886
03/24/19 04:21 PM
03/24/19 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted By: Nadi
Originally Posted By: The Wanderer
and HOW would you prove this "James?"

By "this" do you mean:
1. SDA, generally speaking, indeed do not tolerate any skepticism about Ellen White.

or

2.the EGW doctrine of an IJ was not Biblical
I think you know what I mean; but I can humor you for a bit. I was talking about your first point. Re EGW HOW would you prove that?


"The worst foes of my spiritual life have never been hostile circumstance."

"There is always a little bit of light" (Micah 7:8)
https://www.lightintheclouds.net/word

Sincerely, IN Christ; and THROUGH The Spirit


- The Wanderer
Re: Apostasy of a most startling nature.... [Re: Rick H] #188905
03/26/19 09:15 AM
03/26/19 09:15 AM
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The IJ was discovered only after the early Adventists got the right date, but the wrong event. It is confirmed by FAITH, and faith only. Unless of course one would believe the eye witness report by EGW, who told of how she saw the fulfilment of prophecy when she was transported to heaven in vision.


Faith and an eyewitness. And then there is that other eye witness who refused to heed God's call and take the message to the world.


summary: the evidence is sufficient, the faith is lacking.


"Ignorance is sin, when knowledge can be obtained" (HR, September 1, 1866 par. 3). www.loudcry101.com
Re: Apostasy of a most startling nature.... [Re: His child] #189003
04/06/19 07:19 AM
04/06/19 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted By: His child
Originally Posted By: ProdigalOne
Nadi, you gave, "the SDA church really does not tolerate questioning The Prophet or The Doctrines" as a reason for anonymity, so perhaps you are a disgruntled employee of an SDA Division? If so, we could discuss what has led you to become so disillusioned with Seventh Day Adventism? I have no quarrel with pen names, only with hidden affiliations and the shady motives that so often accompany them.


I suppose it is easier to criticize the faith of others without allowing them an equal opportunity to examine yours? Since, you haven’t replied to my question on pages 2 or 5 of this thread, I will ask it again. In the interest of fair, open, and honest discussion, will you do us the curtesy of sharing your denominational affiliation?




Perhaps This should be posted in a thread called Nadi. Unless your point is that Nadi is bringing the "Apostasy of a most startling nature."

ProdigalOne is probably not a real name either



Have you even read this thread? Why not take a break from thinking up prophesy fulfillment dates and actually read before commenting? The pen name was never the issue and the topic has been previously addressed.

Incidentally, knowing who you are talking to in a spiritual/doctrinal sense is pertinent to every discussion of a religious nature.



"...I will not forget you.
Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands..."

Isaiah 49:15-16
Re: Apostasy of a most startling nature.... [Re: James Peterson] #189004
04/06/19 07:31 AM
04/06/19 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted By: James Peterson
Originally Posted By: ProdigalOne
Nadi, you gave, "the SDA church really does not tolerate questioning The Prophet or The Doctrines" as a reason for anonymity, ...

SDA, generally speaking, indeed do not tolerate any skepticism about Ellen White. Desmond Ford tried to show that the EGW doctrine of an IJ was not Biblical and he was excommunicated from the pulpit.

///


"Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them." Acts 20: 30

He did not agree with the beliefs of the majority of Adventists.
Why would any church employ a preacher who does not agree with its tenets?
The logical course is for that person to find a church that he agrees with or start his own group.

By the way, what is your church denomination?




"...I will not forget you.
Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands..."

Isaiah 49:15-16
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