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Re: Concern over President Trump's Impeachment [Re: His child] #189909
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A Closer Look

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In the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, [but] it shall break in pieces (Daniel 2:44, ed).


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The prophetic events related in Nebuchadnezzar?s dream [Daniel 2] were of consequence to him?[1]


The mysterious vision relates to King Nebuchadnezzar and his dynasty. Because the King James (KJV) translators did not see that local fulfilment of Daniel?s prophecies, they chose words that conveyed what they believed the prophecies meant. Compare their rendition of 2:39 that predisposes the reader to focus on the four-kingdom view to an alternate rendition of the same verse that relates to the local fulfilment:

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After thee shall arise another kingdom inferior to thee, and another third kingdom of brass, which shall bear rule over all the earth (Daniel 2:39).


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After thee shall arise another reign of your land, and another third reign of brass, which shall bear rule over all your land (2:39, alternate).


The alternate reading of 2:39 focuses the meaning of the prophecy on: 1) King Nebuchadnezzar [the gold head], 2) King Evil-Merodach [his son, the silver chest], 3) King Neriglissar [Nebuchadnezzar?s son-in-law, the brass midsection], 4) Nabonidus [another son-in-law, an iron leg that extend into a foot mixed with clay {depicting churchcraft mingling with statecraft}], who co-rule with Belshazzar [Nebuchadnezzar?s grandson, the other iron leg that extend into the other iron foot mixed with clay]. Kings Belshazzar and Nabonidus co-ruled until Babylon fell. The alternate reading aligns with and confirms Jeremiah?s prophecy perfectly:

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All nations shall serve him [Nebuchadnezzar], and his son [Evil-Merodach], and his son?s son [grandson, Belshazzar], until the very time of his land come: and then many nations and great kings shall serve themselves of him (cf Jeremiah 27:4-11).


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We have come to a time when God's sacred work is represented by the feet of the image in which the iron was mixed with the miry clay? The mingling of churchcraft and statecraft is represented by the iron and the clay.[2]


Obviously, the local interpretation of this prophecy was fulfilled by King Nebuchadnezzar?s dynasty when ancient Babylon fell to Medo-Persia. But it only partially fulfilled the prophecy, because Medo-Persia was not an eternal kingdom. However, Medo-Persia toppled Babylon and it foreshadows a final complete fulfillment that follows in the endtime because King Cyrus is a type of Christ, who is to rule in the endtime.

Both readings of Daniel 2:39 are correct. But obviously, they are only partial fulfilments: An eternal kingdom was not established at the end of Nebuchadnezzar?s dynasty, nor were the four kingdoms ever coexisting that are to be broken to pieces together according to the prophecy:

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Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together (Daniel 2:35, ed).


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Then the iron, the clay, the bronze, the silver and the gold were crushed all at the same time (NASB, ed).


What is Daniel telling the king? Is it about his kingdom, Babylon, or about King Nebuchadnezzar and his dynasty?

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The kingdom shall not be left to other people, [but] it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever (Daniel 2:44, ed).


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The reign shall not be left to other people, [but] it shall break in pieces and consume all these reigns, and it shall stand for ever (2:44, alternate).


Neither the four kingdoms: Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece, and Rome; nor King Nebuchadnezzar?s dynasty completely fulfilled the prophecy. They sealed its validity by partially fulfilling it at the appointed time. They foreshadow an endtime complete fulfillment long after the 1611 King James translators thought that the prophecy had been fulfilled, for God had closed, shut up, and sealed Daniel until the time of the end when knowledge shall be increased: O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end?knowledge shall be increased (Daniel 12:4, ed).

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[1] YI, November 24, 1903 par. 1, ed

[2] 15MR 39.1-2, ed


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Re: Concern over President Trump's Impeachment [Re: His child] #189922
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Sealing Prophecy

How did God seal the book of Daniel? What is its message that is to be unsealed in the endtime?

In the KJV translation of Daniel, malkuw (Strong H4437) is kingly throne (5:20), realm (6:3), and reign (6:28), but it is translated as kingdom all of the other times that it occurs in Daniel. Likewise, the word ara [H772] which is rendered as inferior only this once in the entire Bible and earth when it appears the next time in the same text. Ara also means land.

The translation of malkuw and ara verify the premature understanding of the four-kingdom model. These words hide in plain sight the meaning that was sealed until the endtime. If the KJV had not focused on the prophetic fulfillment of the four kingdoms before the prophetic meaning was unsealed and opened in 1844, King Nebuchadnezzar?s dynasty would have been obvious. Those four kings foreshadow the four kingdoms, and the meaning that is unsealed in the endtime as God commanded. God used the KJV rendition of the four kingdoms to seal the meaning of Daniel until the endtime, when Daniel stands in his lot. The hiding of the endtime meaning in plain sight that sealed Daniel 2, sealed Daniel 4.

In the 1611 King James Bible, Daniel 2 reads like it applies primarily to Nebuchadnezzar?s kingdom, but not the king. The opposite is true for chapter 4; it reads like it applies solely to the king, but not his kingdom. Why are these two chapters interpreted to convey such different meanings?


Comparing Daniel 2 to 4


Metal Idol (Daniel 2).................Great Tree (Daniel 4)

Thou art this head (2:38)...........The tree is thou (4:20-22)

A great image (2:31)..................Height to heaven (4:11 & 20)

This head (2:38).........................Tree's heart (4:16)
[man?s thought center]...............[cf Proverbs 23:7]

The beasts (2:38).......................The beasts (4:12 & 21)
given into thine hand...................had shadow under it

Thou art a king (2:21 & 37)..........Most High rules (4:17 & 22)
for the God of heaven hath..........the Kingdom of men,
given thee a kingdom...................and giveth it to whomsoever He will

Belly and thighs (2:32-33 & 39-40)....The band (4:15)
of brass and iron.................................of iron and brass

Stone destroyed it (2:34, 45)..............Hew down tree (4:13-14, 23)

The great God (2:45) .....................The interpretation (4:24)
hath made known to the king..........O king, and this is
what shall come...hereafter:...............the decree
and the dream is certain.......................of the Most High
and the interpretation............................which is come
thereof sure...........................................upon my lord the king

The God of heaven will (2:44)...............Thy kingdom (4:26)
set up a kingdom....................................is sure unto thee,
the kingdom shall stand for ever.............the heavens do rule

There is another instance in the Bible that illustrates two dreams with one meaning. Egypt?s pharaoh had two different dreams that both conveyed the same meaning.

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In my dream, behold? I awoke? And I saw in my dream? The dream of Pharaoh [is] one: God hath showed Pharaoh what He [is] about to do (Cf Genesis 41).


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O king [Nebuchadnezzar]?He that revealeth secrets maketh known to thee what shall come to pass?Thou [art] this head of gold (Daniel 2:29, 38, ed).


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The tree that thou sawest?It [is] thou, O king (4:20,22, ed).


Obviously, Daniel made both statements under Divine Inspiration: You are the head of gold, and The tree is you! The meanings of the two statements must harmonize one with the other! Thus, if the head of gold depicts Nebuchadnezzar?s kingdom in Daniel 2, then the meaning of the tree in chapter 4 must be applied (as in Daniel 2) to his kingdom, Babylon. If the great tree depicts King Nebuchadnezzar in Daniel 4, then the meaning of the head of gold in chapter 2 must apply to him personally as well. One vision cannot apply to the kingdom and the other to the king: Both visions MUST apply to the king and to his kingdom, and they do.

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Light comes from the very throne of God. When some familiar truth presents itself to your mind in a new aspect, when a text of Scripture suddenly bursts upon you with new meaning like a flash of light that scatters the mist, and you see the relation of other truths to some part of the plan of redemption, God is leading you, and a divine Teacher is at your side. Will you not then open the door of your heart to receive more and more of the heavenly illumination?[1]


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In your study of the word of God, penetrate deeper and still deeper beneath the surface. Lay hold by faith on divine power and sound the depths of inspiration.[2]


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Great truths that have lain unheeded and unseen? are to shine from God?s word in their native purity. To those who truly love God the Holy Spirit will reveal truths that have faded from the mind, and will also reveal truths that are entirely new. Those who eat the flesh and drink the blood of the Son of God will bring from the books of Daniel and Revelation truth that is inspired by the Holy Spirit. They will start into action forces that cannot be repressed.[3]


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The lesson that the Lord would have all humanity learn from the history of the king of Babylon is that all those who walk in pride and self-exaltation, He is able to abase. The chastening that came upon the king of Babylon wrought reformation in the heart of the king and transformed him in character. Before his humiliation he was tyrannical in his dealings with others, but now the overbearing, fierce monarch is changed into a wise and compassionate ruler. Before his humiliation he defied and blasphemed the God of heaven, but now he acknowledges His power and seeks earnestly to promote the happiness of his subjects. At last the king had received his lesson. ?Come and hear, all ye that fear God, and I will make known to you what He hath done for my soul? [Psalms 66:16]. The Lord designed that the greatest kingdom in the world should know and show forth His praise. Nebuchadnezzar says, ?And at the end of the days I Nebuchadnezzar lifted up mine eyes unto heaven, and mine understanding returned unto me, and I blessed the most High, and I praised and honored Him that liveth for ever, whose dominion is an everlasting dominion, and His kingdom is from generation to generation: And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and He doeth according to His will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay His hand, or say unto Him, What doest thou?? [Daniel 4:34, 35][4]


The visions in Daniel 2 & 4 complement each other by revealing: 1) Truth relating to the King of Babylon {and his dynasty}; 2) Truth relating to the kingdom of Babylon and coming kingdoms; 3) Truth that is to be unsealed and opened relating to four endtime kings; 4) Truth limiting the duration of the time allotted to these visions; and 5) The king?s deadly wound that is healed in Daniel 4 foreshadows Babylon?s deadly wound that is healed before Daniel 2 is completely and finally fulfilled. The repeat and enlarge principles are at work in Daniel 2 & 4. Thus, as we continue to prayerfully study Daniel, more will be learned.

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The prophetic events related in Nebuchadnezzar?s dream [Daniel 2] were of consequence to him, but the dream was taken from him in order that the wise men should not place upon it a false interpretation. The lessons taught by the dream were given by God for those who live in our day. The inability of the wise men to tell the dream is a representation of the limitations of the wise men of the present day, who, not having wisdom and discernment from the Most High, are unable to understand the prophecies.[5]


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In history and prophecy, the Word of God portrays the long continued conflict between truth and error. That conflict is yet in progress. Those things which have been will be repeated.[6]


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[1] ST, August 27, 1894 par. 3, ed
[2] 9T 151.1
[3] RH, August 17, 1897 par. 19, ed
[4] 13MR 66.2, ed
[5] YI, November 24, 1903 par. 1
[6]1MR 47.3&17MR 11.1, ed

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Re: Concern over President Trump's Impeachment [Re: His child] #189927
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In 2001, Yom Kippur came on September 27.
Are you able to show that from the Bible?

Re: Concern over President Trump's Impeachment [Re: kland] #189929
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Originally Posted by kland
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In 2001, Yom Kippur came on September 27.
Are you able to show that from the Bible?


How do you propose to show that Yom Kippur came on 27 September 2001 from the Bible?

Thursday, September 27, 10th of Tishrei, 5762
9/27/2001 Thu, 10th of Tishrei, 5762
9/27/2001 Thu, Yom Kippur

http://jewishholidaysonline.com/2001


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Re: Concern over President Trump's Impeachment [Re: His child] #189933
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Jesus fulfilled the LAW. It is finished.

He said, "O foolish one, and slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken! Ought not the Christ to have suffered these things and to enter into His glory?" And beginning at Moses (THE LAW) and all the Prophets, He expounded to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning Himself.

--- Luke 24:25-27

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Re: Concern over President Trump's Impeachment [Re: His child] #189935
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Originally Posted by kland
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In 2001, Yom Kippur came on September 27.
Are you able to show that from the Bible?


How do you propose to show that Yom Kippur came on 27 September 2001 from the Bible?

Thursday, September 27, 10th of Tishrei, 5762
9/27/2001 Thu, 10th of Tishrei, 5762
9/27/2001 Thu, Yom Kippur

http://jewishholidaysonline.com/2001

Sounds like you are admitting it is NOT Biblical.
Hmmmm.....

One way would be to show according to the Bible, when the Jewish year started.
Or you could say the Bible fails to give adequate information to know that.

Re: Concern over President Trump's Impeachment [Re: James Peterson] #189944
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Originally Posted by James Peterson
Jesus fulfilled the LAW. It is finished.

He said, "O foolish one, and slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken! Ought not the Christ to have suffered these things and to enter into His glory?" And beginning at Moses (THE LAW) and all the Prophets, He expounded to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning Himself.

--- Luke 24:25-27

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Your point is noted. There is no question that Jesus fulfilled the law. But the ceremonial times in the law pointed forward to those things that were to come that Jesus has fulfilled. And centuries after going to heaven, Jesus fulfilled the Day of Atonement when He entered the Most Holy Place in Heaven to commence the Investigative Judgment in 1844. But He has not finished His work of confessing our names before His Father and His angels. That will not happen until Jesus states that "It is finished."

Though we are not obligated to partake in any religious services on Yom Kippur, we are wise to be mindful that Jesus is in the Most Holy Place in Heaven's Temple confess our sins before the Father and interceding for us. The yearly reminder that that includes the 10 days of Awe that are specifically appointed to confess our sins (each one coinciding with one of the 10 Commandments) that is followed by Yom Kippur is worthy of our acknowledging.

Christians celebrate Christmas and Easter yearly for which there is no command in the Bible. This is to manufacture holy days that are not biblical. That is as foolish as keeping the law that Jesus has fulfilled. Do you see any difference?

Yom Kippur comes between Sept and October yearly and it reminds us that Jesus is still working out our salvation.


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Re: Concern over President Trump's Impeachment [Re: kland] #189945
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In 2001, Yom Kippur came on September 27.
Are you able to show that from the Bible?


How do you propose to show that Yom Kippur came on 27 September 2001 from the Bible?

Thursday, September 27, 10th of Tishrei, 5762
9/27/2001 Thu, 10th of Tishrei, 5762
9/27/2001 Thu, Yom Kippur

http://jewishholidaysonline.com/2001

Sounds like you are admitting it is NOT Biblical.
Hmmmm.....

One way would be to show according to the Bible, when the Jewish year started.
Or you could say the Bible fails to give adequate information to know that.



Is your hearing selective? Perhaps I was not clear. Jesus fulfilled the law. But the holidays come yearly as they are described in the Bible. Even when we are not obligated to keep them, they come at their appointed times.

The Jewish website that I quoted gives the times from the Bible that Yom Kippur came in 2001. I could have shown you that it comes on 10 Tishrei from the Bible, but how do you prove that 10 Tishrei fell on September 27 since September is from the Gregorian Calendar which is not in the Bible. The religious Jews that keep their calendar know 10 Tishrei is on the day that it comes and they know that that day was 27 September in 2001.

That is the way it is.


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Re: Concern over President Trump's Impeachment [Re: His child] #189946
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Since prophecy is History in Advance, it is important to be able to align the events with the prophecy when they happen.

The King of Babylon

God sets up Kings and removes them. Who does the tyrannical overbearing fierce king of Babylon in Daniel 4 that defied and blasphemed the God of Heaven prophetically depict in the endtime? The Scriptures explain themselves:

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Take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! [how] art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! (Isaiah 14:4, 9, ed)


In Daniel 4, the king of Babylon went insane for seven years, but when they ended, they were called, the end of the days (Daniel 4:34). A day can depict a year in prophecy. The reverse must be true: A time/year can depict a day. Thus, the end of the seven years are: The end of the DAYS.

The 7,000 years

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Be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day ( 2 Peter 3:8).


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For a thousand years in Thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night (Psalms 90:4).


God's Creation week was seven literal days! Satan's creation, the sin problem, has continued for about 6,000 years with the seventh thousand years soon to come. Ellen White's contemporary, Crosier, explained it this way:

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The last act of deliverance will be at the end of the 1000 years. The Sabbaths under the Law typify the great Sabbath, the seventh millennium; Hebrews 4:3.[1]


White agreed. She affirmed that Crosier's view was true:

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Brother Crosier had the true light in the Day-Star, Extra, February 7, 1846. I feel fully authorized by the Lord, to recommend that Extra, to every saint.[2]


In addition to agreeing with Crosier, White often wrote that sin was limited to a 6,000-year duration. An example:

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The great controversy between Christ and Satan that has been carried forward for nearly six thousand years is soon to close.[3]


Ellen White also explicitly limits the duration of sin to 6,000 years in specific statements. In a vision from the perspective of the redeemed saints in Heaven, White wrote:

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Satan's work of ruin is forever ended. For six thousand years he has wrought his will. The whole earth is at rest.[4]

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[1]Cf http://www.sdadefend.com/Our%20Firm%20 Foundation/ Crosier-sanctuary.pdf, ed
[2] WLF 12.8, ed
[3] GC88 518.1, ed
[4] GC88 673.2, ed

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Originally Posted by His child

Is your hearing selective? Perhaps I was not clear. Jesus fulfilled the law. But the holidays come yearly as they are described in the Bible. Even when we are not obligated to keep them, they come at their appointed times.
The question is, when are their appointed times?

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The Jewish website that I quoted gives the times
I'm asking, where from the Bible. Claiming that a website says it is from the Bible does not mean it is true.

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but how do you prove that 10 Tishrei fell on September 27 since September is from the Gregorian Calendar which is not in the Bible.
I think you just said that you haven't a clue!
No matter what calendar system you use, there should be a certain day that 10 Tishrei falls on. Provided you know when the Jewish calendar system starts, and what starts it.

You don't know, do you?

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The religious Jews that keep their calendar know 10 Tishrei is on the day that it comes and they know that that day was 27 September in 2001.

That is the way it is.

That's precious.

His child: It starts then because some website says so. They just know it....

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