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Pope Francis the "Stately Fair Person" #193517
01/23/21 01:30 PM
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For over twenty-five years I have heard dozens of sermons claiming that Satan appearing as an angel of light is the same as the world being led astray by Satan appearing as Jesus, so when does he appear as Jesus and are the prophecies of Satan appearing as an angel of light the same?

The Great Controversy was written linearly, with each chapter following the timeline of history all the way to the end, so each of the future chapters also follows this linear timeline.

With this in mind now we go to Chapter 39 of the GC where Satan appears as Christ and we see that this chapter begins with "At that time shall Michael stand up" and it details what happens after probation closes. So this chapter begins with the end of Probation, then Satan appears as Christ.

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As the crowning act in the great drama of deception, Satan himself will personate Christ. The church has long professed to look to the Saviour's advent as the consummation of her hopes. Now the great deceiver will make it appear that Christ has come. In different parts of the earth, Satan will manifest himself among men as a majestic being of dazzling brightness, resembling the description of the Son of God given by John in the Revelation. Revelation 1:13-15. The glory that surrounds him is unsurpassed by anything that mortal eyes have yet beheld. The shout of triumph rings out upon the air: 'Christ has come! Christ has come!' The people prostrate themselves in adoration before him, while he lifts up his hands and pronounces a blessing upon them, as Christ blessed His disciples when He was upon the earth. His voice is soft and subdued, yet full of melody. In gentle, compassionate tones he presents some of the same gracious, heavenly truths which the Saviour uttered; he heals the diseases of the people, and then, in his assumed character of Christ, he claims to have changed the Sabbath to Sunday and commands all to hallow the day which he has blessed. He declares that those who persist in keeping holy the seventh day are blaspheming his name by refusing to listen to his angels sent to them with light and truth. This is the strong, almost overmastering delusion. Like the Samaritans who were deceived by Simon Magus, the multitudes, from the least to the greatest, give heed to these sorceries, saying: This is 'the great power of God.' Acts 8:10. {GC 624.2}


This means that it would be impossible to deceive the Elect at this point because they have already been sealed and this is why the prophecy says "if it were possible" because it is NOT possible at that time because probation has closed.

But there are also comments that Satan appears "as an angel of light" to deceive the world before the end of probation.

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I saw the rapidity with which this delusion was spreading. A train of cars was shown me, going with the speed of lightning. The angel bade me look carefully. I fixed my eyes upon the train. It seemed that the whole world was on board; that there could not be one left. Said the angel: They are binding in bundles ready to burn.? Then he showed me the conductor, who looked like a stately fair person, which all the passengers looked up to and reverenced. I was perplexed and asked my attending angel who it was. Said he, 'It is Satan'. He is the conductor in the form of an angel of light. He has taken the world captive. They are given over to strong delusions, to believe a lie that they may be damned.? This agent, the next highest in order to him, is the engineer, and others of his agents are employed in different offices as he may need them, and they are all going with lightning speed to perdition. They are binding in bundles ready to burn. I asked the angel if there were none left. He bade me look in an opposite direction, and I saw a little company traveling a narrow pathway. All seemed to be firmly united, and bound together by the truth, in bundles, or companies. Said the angel, 'The third angel is binding them (sealing them) in bundles for the heavenly garner.' {ExV54 6.3}


Here we see Satan appearing in the form of "an angel of light" but he is also appearing as a "stately fair person, which all the passengers looked up to and reverenced." This person leads the world with "lightning speed to PERDITION". So, it can be safe to say that this person is in fact possessed by Satan and that his influence is so powerful that all of the wicked look up to him. He gathers them together for the burning before probation closes.

So who is this stately fair person leading the world with lightning speed to "perdition"?

Revelation 17:11 says that the eighth king after the Lateran Treaty also goeth into "perdition" and the Testimonies say the "son of Perdition" is the pope. So it is safe to say that this eighth king and the stately fair person is one and the same entity.

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Not till after the great apostasy, and the long period of the reign of the 'man of sin', can we look for the advent of our Lord. The 'man of sin,' which is also styled the 'mystery of iniquity,' the 'son of perdition,' and 'that wicked,' represents the papacy, which, as foretold in prophecy, was to maintain its supremacy for 1260 years. This period ended in 1798. The coming of Christ could not take place before that time. Paul covers with his caution the whole of the Christian dispensation down to the year 1798. It is this side of that time that the message of Christ's second coming is to be proclaimed. {GC88 356.1}


This is part of the steady revealing of the present truth. The proclamation of the identity of the son of perdition which began after 1798 was the beginning of the time of the end and the identity of the eighth king of Revelation 17:11 as the one who goes into perdition is the end of that same timeframe.

Pope Francis the Jesuit corpse is the eighth king since the Lateran Treaty, he is the one who will go into perdition and leads the world with lightning speed with him. This man noted in prophecy is Satan incarnate.

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Re: Pope Francis the "Stately Fair Person" [Re: RighteousnessBF] #193524
01/23/21 10:55 PM
01/23/21 10:55 PM
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We are to be prepared to resist the "overwhelming" deception.

The test comes to every person BEFORE probation closes.
Satan impersonates Christ before probation closes,

" We are warned that in the last days he will work with signs and lying wonders. And he will continue these wonders until the close of probation, that he may point to them as evidence that he is an angel of light and not of darkness. {Mar 208.3}

Some will be tempted to receive these wonders as from God. The sick will be healed before us. Miracles will be performed in our sight. Are we prepared for the trial which awaits us when the lying wonders of Satan shall be more fully exhibited? Will not many souls be ensnared and taken? By departing from the plain precepts and commandments of God, and giving heed to fables, the minds of many are preparing to receive these lying wonders. We must all now seek to arm ourselves for the contest in which we must soon engage. Faith in God's word, prayerfully studied and practically applied, will be our shield from Satan's power and will bring us off conquerors through the blood of Christ. {Mar 208.6}

.To all, the testing time will come. By the sifting of temptation, the genuine Christian will be revealed. Are the people of God now so firmly established upon his word that they would not yield to the evidence of their senses? Would they, in such a crisis, cling to the Bible, and the Bible only? Satan will, if possible, prevent them from obtaining a preparation to stand in that day. GC 626

Re: Pope Francis the "Stately Fair Person" [Re: dedication] #193525
01/23/21 11:36 PM
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Originally Posted by dedication

Satan impersonates Christ before probation closes,



Where is your proof? I provided the proof of my statement that he appears as Christ after probation and I provided evidence that he appears as an angel of light before probation, which is when the test comes before the close of probation. Do we just take your word that he appears as Christ before probation closes?

The direct quote from scripture holds the answer to the question of the tests prior to the close of probation... It is in Matthew 24 just before the last sign which is Pope Francis the Jesuit CORPSE (perinde ac cadaver)

"For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Matthew 24:24.

This quote holds the key. It refers to the multiple false Christs that have plagued the church since the earthly ministry of Jesus until the ultimate false Christ, the "crowning act in the great drama of deception, Satan himself will personate Christ"

Why would she say Satan "himself" impersonating Christ if there weren't to be multiple other false christs? These little false Christs happen up till the "angel of light" scenario with Pope Francis the son of perdition leading the world with lightning speed to perdition which is foretold in Matthew 24:28 a few verses later.

Re: Pope Francis the "Stately Fair Person" [Re: RighteousnessBF] #193526
01/23/21 11:40 PM
01/23/21 11:40 PM
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This is the timeline as detailed in the Great controversy. So, prove your statement.

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At that time shall Michael stand up, the great Prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book." Daniel 12:1.
When the third angel's message closes, mercy no longer pleads for the guilty inhabitants of the earth. The people of God have accomplished their work. They have received "the latter rain," "the refreshing from the presence of the Lord,? and they are prepared for the trying hour before them. Angels are hastening to and fro in heaven. An angel returning from the earth announces that his work is done; the final test has been brought upon the world, and all who have proved themselves loyal to the divine precepts have received "the seal of the living God." Then Jesus ceases His intercession in the sanctuary above.

As the crowning act in the great drama of deception, Satan himself will personate Christ. The church has long professed to look to the Saviour's advent as the consummation of her hopes. Now the great deceiver will make it appear that Christ has come. In different parts of the earth, Satan will manifest himself among men as a majestic being of dazzling brightness, resembling the description of the Son of God given by John in the Revelation. Revelation 1:13-15. The glory that surrounds him is unsurpassed by anything that mortal eyes have yet beheld. The shout of triumph rings out upon the air: Christ has come! Christ has come!? The people prostrate themselves in adoration before him, while he lifts up his hands and pronounces a blessing upon them, as Christ blessed His disciples when He was upon the earth. His voice is soft and subdued, yet full of melody. In gentle, compassionate tones he presents some of the same gracious, heavenly truths which the Saviour uttered; he heals the diseases of the people, and then, in his assumed character of Christ, he claims to have changed the Sabbath to Sunday, and commands all to hallow the day which he has blessed. He declares that those who persist in keeping holy the seventh day are blaspheming his name by refusing to listen to his angels sent to them with light and truth. This is the strong, almost overmastering delusion. Like the Samaritans who were deceived by Simon Magus, the multitudes, from the least to the greatest, give heed to these sorceries, saying: This is the great power of God. Acts 8:10. {GC 624.2}


Are you saying that Mrs. White was wrong about this sequence of events?

Re: Pope Francis the "Stately Fair Person" [Re: dedication] #193527
01/23/21 11:58 PM
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In that same quote in the GC the next paragraph proves my statement that this is after probation closes...

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and then, in his assumed character of Christ, he claims to have changed the Sabbath to Sunday, and commands all to hallow the day which he has blessed. He declares that those who persist in keeping holy the seventh day are blaspheming his name by refusing to listen to his angels sent to them with light and truth. This is the strong, almost overmastering delusion. Like the Samaritans who were deceived by Simon Magus, the multitudes, from the least to the greatest, give heed to these sorceries, saying: This is ?the great power of God.? Acts 8:10. {GC 624.2}
But the people of God will not be misled. The teachings of this false Christ are not in accordance with the Scriptures. His blessing is pronounced upon the worshipers of the beast and his image, the very class upon whom the Bible declares that God?s unmingled wrath shall be poured out. {GC 625.1}


So at this point, the Beast and his image have already established the Sunday law and Sabbath-keepers are resisting that movement, and then after probation closes Satan steps in to reinforce his false blessings for those who keep his spurious Sabbath and trying to persuade them to destroy us. Every other paragraph in that timeline is about the time of Jacobs struggle which is obviously after probation closes.

Are you trying to say that Mrs White just flippantly moved that quote into this timeline out of order?

Re: Pope Francis the "Stately Fair Person" [Re: RighteousnessBF] #193528
01/24/21 05:47 AM
01/24/21 05:47 AM
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Remember the "repeat and enlarge" principle?

I noticed you put two paragraphs together that are ten pages apart.
Your first paragraph "at that time will Michael stand up" is on page 614 in GC.
and yes, EGW then describes Jacobs time of trouble, which takes place after probation closes.

But look what happens on page 623 (Nine pages later)
EGW takes the reader back to things BEFORE probation closes -- she's writing ---
"We should now acquaint ourselves....
"If messengers who bear the last solemn warning to the world would pray...
"The ?time of trouble such as never was,? is soon to open upon us;....
"Now, while our great High Priest is making the atonement.....
"Fearful sights of a supernatural character will soon be revealed in the heavens....


So, yes, EGW is taking the reader back in time again to things before probation closes -- as everything she is talking about on pages 623-624 are things BEFORE probation closes.

It's at this point (end of page 624) that she talks about the "crowning act of deception" when Satan personates Christ.

Then on page 625 she talks about
|" the people of God will flee from the cities and villages, and associate together in companies, dwelling in the most desolate and solitary places"
When will people flee the cities? Before or after "Jacob's time of trouble"?? Before Jacob's time of trouble! But it will be after that great deception when Satan appears as Christ telling everyone he changed the Sabbath to Sunday thus strengthening the Sunday laws and now their lives are threatened.
Page 625-626 describe God's people suffering in mountains and in prisons --
It's when state protection is removed that they realize probation may be closed and they face the agony of wondering if they are sealed.

Then on page 627 we again read
"When Christ ceases his intercession in the sanctuary, the unmingled wrath threatened against those who worship the beast and his image and receive his mark, [Revelation 14:9, 10.] will be poured out."
And she continues with a description of the plagues.


So no -- there is nothing flippant here -- there is more than one liner line here. There are REPEATS go back and fill in more details, enlarge.


The biggest test will come just BEFORE probation closes--(as probation is about to close) everyone is in danger of being deceived. Satan may well continue personating Christ even after it closes -- we don't know how long he'll pretend to be Christ.
The big point is PREPARE NOW, it will be too late to prepare then.

The great final test comes at the close of human probation, when it will be too late for the soul's need to be supplied. {COL 412.1}
EGW urges us to prepare NOW

Re: Pope Francis the "Stately Fair Person" [Re: RighteousnessBF] #193529
01/24/21 10:11 AM
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Are you serious?

The chapter is called "The Time of Trouble". It begins with "At THAT time shall Michael stand up."

The next paragraph begins with "When the third angel?s message closes, mercy no longer pleads for the guilty inhabitants of the earth."

The next paragraph begins with..."When He leaves the sanctuary, darkness covers the inhabitants of the earth. In that fearful time the righteous must live in the sight of a holy God without an intercessor."

Then... "As the Sabbath has become the special point of controversy throughout Christendom, and religious and secular authorities have combined to enforce the observance of the Sunday, the persistent refusal of a small minority to yield to the popular demand will make them objects of universal execration."

Then... "The people of God will then be plunged into those scenes of affliction and distress described by the prophet as the time of Jacob?s trouble."

This is where she describes Jacobs's time of trouble...

Then she describes people doing false miracles through demonic power until she then says...

"As the crowning act in the great drama of deception, Satan himself will personate Christ. The church has long professed to look to the Saviour?s advent as the consummation of her hopes. Now the great deceiver will make it appear that Christ has come.

This is as specific as you can get.

She is showing how there will demonic powers exercised through men and events, but this event takes place with Satan directly getting involved "himself". Just like when he appears as an angel of light through the stately fair person, Pope Francis the Jesuit Corpse.

You are conflating the issue. There is more than one devil in the world. But there is only one Satan. When he gets involved and manifests himself directly is when this event occurs.

Re: Pope Francis the "Stately Fair Person" [Re: dedication] #193530
01/24/21 10:15 AM
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Also, why then would the prophecy say "if it were possible to deceive the elect"? Have you ever considered this? It is written this way because at this point it would not be possible because probation has already closed. Why else would it be written this way?

Re: Pope Francis the "Stately Fair Person" [Re: RighteousnessBF] #193531
01/24/21 10:24 AM
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The warning comes to us through God's word, that, if it were possible, he would deceive the very elect. {HS 155.5}
Wonderful events are soon to open before the world. The end of all things is at hand. The time of trouble is about to come upon the people of God. Then it is that the decree will go forth forbidding those who keep the Sabbath of the Lord to buy or sell, and threatening them with punishment, and even death if they do not observe the first day of the week as the Sabbath. {HS 156.1}
"And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great Prince which standeth for the children of thy people; and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time, and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book." By this, we see the importance of having our names written in the book of life. All whose names are registered there will be delivered from Satan's power, and Christ will command that their filthy garments be removed and that they be clothed with his righteousness. "And they shall be mine, saith the Lord of hosts, in that day when I make up my jewels; and I will spare them, as a man spareth his own son that serveth him." {HS 156.2} In the time of trouble, Satan stirs up the wicked, and they encircle the people of God to destroy them. But he does not know that "pardon" has been written opposite their names in the books of heaven. He does not know that the command has been given, "Take away the filthy garments" from them, clothe them with "change of raiment," and set "a fair mitre" upon their heads. {HS 156.3}


When the end of Probation comes Satan doesn't know that the elect is already sealed. This is his last-ditch attempt when He appears as Jesus.

Re: Pope Francis the "Stately Fair Person" [Re: RighteousnessBF] #193532
01/24/21 10:36 AM
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Also, and this is the clincher, and I cannot believe someone filled with the Spirit of Truth would miss this Dedication, look at the word "ELECT". You are missing its import.

Elect means Messiah. How could Satan draw away the Son of God?

Strongs Concordance:

the Messiah is called "elect", as appointed by God to the most exalted office conceivable.

The plural form of this word means those who have the Mystery of Godliness... Christ in us the hope of glory. They are sealed and cannot be moved.

You really need to do your research and pray before challenging the brethren brother.

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