And this means what? Why would Moses and Ellen White mention Semiramis and specifically name other pagan gods? Ellen White had nothing to do with the legends of the gods in her writings. It wasn't what she focused on. It wasn't the focus of Moses either. So why would he talk about what he learned in Pharoah's pagan court? He had enough to do with rebellious Israelites raised around paganism all of their lives.

Your reasoning just leaves me baffled. I don't see how any of this relates to Hislop's writings.

Read the Biblical chronology and compare it with Egyptian history
The question isn't "how long till evil manifested itself. Evil manifested itself as soon as people believed Satan's lies, instead of trusting God.

The question concerns the lack of authenticity of the foundational story in Hislop's book --

When did the flood take place? That date is debatable as it's based on Biblical chronologies that vary, depending what manuscripts are used which can set the flood several hundred years back further to 3050 BC.

But you are right a popular date for the flood is often set around 2350 BC,
Nimrod was probably Cush's sixth and youngest son, and judging from the sequence it is recorded in scripture, Cush was probably already a grandfather himself when Nimrod was born.

Cush probably lived at least 400 or even 500 years (judging from his generations life span)
If the shorter chronological chart is correct Cush was probably still alive when Abraham was born.
Nimrod may have lived 400 years as well, though some legends say he was killed at the tower of Babel, so maybe less. Some legends say he was still alive when Abraham was a child.


OK when were the great pyramids of Gazi built?

According to National Geographics:
"The Giza Pyramids, built to endure an eternity, have done just that. The monumental tombs are relics of Egypt's Old Kingdom era and were constructed some 4,500 years ago.

Pharaoh Khufu began the first Giza pyramid project, circa 2550 B.C.
Khufu's son, Pharaoh Khafre, built the second pyramid at Giza, circa 2520 B.C. His necropolis also included the Sphinx.
The third of the Giza Pyramids is considerably smaller than the first two. Built by Pharaoh Menkaure circa 2490 B.C.,

The ancient engineering feats at Giza were so impressive that even today scientists can't be sure how the pyramids were built.

OK. by those dates the pyramids were built before the flood according to the popular 2350 BC date for the flood. But I believe they were built after the flood so what do we do?

Robert Bauval after careful calculation matching shaft slants in the pyramids and the position of the stars noted the three studied shafts locked in perfectly to the stars as they stood in the epoch of 2450 BC.

Another source reports:
--the 481-foot Great Pyramid of Giza, Khufu's pyramid was built between 2580 BC and 2560 BC.
--Another pyramid was built between 2447 BC and 2439 BC.
--Khafre built his pyramid between 2437 BC and 2414 BC.
The end of the Fourth Dynasty in 2496 BC marked the end of the golden age of the pyramids though small ones were still built after that.

That brings the building of the pyramid a little closer to the popular time of the flood (but still before the flood).

What it tells me is that we don't know the actual date of the flood or the building of these pyramids, because I believe they were built after the flood, but one thing is pretty clear -- they were built very soon after the flood. While the pre-flood knowledge and skills were still known (skills we don't even know today, how to lift perfectly cut enormously heavy stone blocks to some pretty awesome heights and fit them to geometric perfection together (and no they didn't use a million slaves to do it). They were built while Cush and his brothers (they lived roughly 450-500 years) and their immediate descendants were alive. Yet those pyramids were linked to Osirus and Isis worship in their very design --Osirus was NOT Nimrod, they were reviving preflood gods and goddesses.

Maybe Cush is Khufu, and his son Sabtechah is Khafre, and brother Mizraim is Menkaure. Just speculation on that last line.

So you'll go with National Geographic's time frame? Why? It makes a mockery of the Biblical 6000 year time frame.

It seems to me you're willing to toss out the Bible to condemn Hislop.

I have more support for Hislop.



This comes from Amazing Discoveries and is written by Walter Veith.

https://amazingdiscoveries.org/S-deception_Pontifex_Maximus_Babylon

Watch this interesting video:

Interesting. It doesn't do dedication any good though as she accepted a flood date of more than 2000 years before the Biblical date.

I knew about the discrepancy in the 430 year timeline in Egypt as if you add up all the life times and birth dates it just couldn't have happened.

Interesting how quickly you can jump to conclusions -- wrong conclusions by the way.

Reread what I wrote -- as the whole point was seeking to bringing the archeological evidence in line with the Biblical story, definitely NOT throwing out the Bible!!
The way to establish faith in the Bible is to show how the Bible matches history, if understood in the right light. Everyone knows those pyramids predate well established history. By the time Abraham journeyed into Egypt, it seems to me, those pyramids were already there. How did they get there?

Shem lived for about 500 more years after the flood.
Assuming Ham lived about the same (500 years)
The next four generations all lived about for 400 to 450 years.
So Cush and Nimrod probably lived for about 400 years each.
If the chronology of Genesis 11 is complete, time from the flood in 2350 BC till Abraham's birth would have been only 352 years.

Do you realize that according to the King James Bible, that means Noah, Shem, Ham, Japheth, Cush, and everyone else (unless killed in battle) from the first five generations would ALL have been alive during Abrahams lifetime. Also those first five generations would have seen all the great great grand kids die before they did -- because suddenly the life span dropped from 400 to about 150.

There are things unknown --
the mystery of pyramids is one of them.
There dates are built on genealogies as well and could well be out those 200-400 years.


I BELIEVE THOSE PYRIMIDS WERE BUILT VERY SOON AFTER THE FLOOD,

The largest one at Gazi, contains some three million huge blocks of stone, some of which weigh about 15 tons. The king?s tomb chamber is lined with huge granite blocks, transported down the Nile from Aswan, 1,000 km (600 miles) south of present day Cairo. They weigh up to 30 tons each, but are so perfectly squared that it is not possible to fit a postcard between them.

Now there were many pyramids built in Egypt over the years, but we are talking about the great pyramids of Gazi. Later pyramids were of much lower quality and skill.

There is considerable evidence and ancient writings that these great pyramids were built in the mid 2000 BC, usually dated around 2500 BC.

There were three references in my last post dealing with findings as to when the pyramids were built.
It's NOT just national Geographic -- it is in MANY historical books and textbooks and archeological reports. From probably way more ancient sources.

The fact is -- those pyramids were built very close to the time of the flood.
Finding the usual dates for the flood to be only about 200-400 years too late, or the usual date for the construction of the pyramids about 200-400 years too early, DOES NOT MAKE A MOCKERY of the Bible records at all.
It CONFIRMS that very intelligent and skillful people emerged from the ark who set out in a frenzy to build some huge monuments to the stars that totally defy our present day pride of being so advanced.
Just because we probably have not figured out the biblical chronologies of the ancients to exactly fit the time, does not make a mockery of the Bible at all.

We don't know the EXACT date of the flood, or the exact date of the Gazi pyramids, but the two dates are VERY close together.


EDIT:
Where did you get the idea of I said 2000 years before the flood?
From National Geographic:

Because of this. Sorry, but it seems seems you don't understand what you post.



That makes a mockery of the Biblical timeline.

The other thing that factors into this is the technology of the ancients. In Peru they moved stone blocks up to 20.000 tons across a valley and up a cliff and regularly moved stone blocks of 300 to 500 tons to build extensive walls up a sheer cliff 1000 feet high at an elevation of more than 10,000 feet.

So the building of the pyramids wasn't that big of a deal for them. I don't believe what modern archeologists believe about the manpower and time needed to construct them. With the technology they had and the elevation they were working at they might have built the pyramids in a lot less time I think they could have placed multiple. blocks a day.
The pyramids had to have been built in less than the lifetime of a pharaoh as they were built for individual pharaohs.

Let's say it took them 100 years to set the 2,000,000 blocks. That means they set 55 blocks a day. If they had lasers they could easily have cut and moved that many stones a day with their weight handling technology.

I was just researching the building of the pyramids from Noorbergern's book and he says Cheops ruled for only 22 years.

He further says that there is an inscription at the base of the pyramid that gives the start date of the construction. Half way up is another date inscription and it is only 2 years later. Thus the Great Pyramid was built in only 4 years.

This throws major doubt on your time lines.