I'm just trying to figure out how they think. How can one say one verse means future and a couple of verses later it mean not?

A classic verse they use is:
Ge 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

So if we are mentally to go to Old Jerusalem to determine the alignment of the year, would it not follow they should mentally go to Old Jerusalem to determine the alignment of the day and therefore, the Sabbath?

Don't we pretty much do that? Saturday in Palestine will this week be on April 18, 2015 -- thus all over the world (except for the confused on South Sea Islands) everyone who worships on the 7th day Sabbath will be worshipping on April 18 Saturday. We do point back to the time of Jesus life in Palestine to validate which day is the seventh-day.

However, you are talking about the feasts -- the feasts are based on seasons -- spring -> fall. And obviously it isn't spring in the southern hemisphere when it is spring in Palestine.

I tend to agree with Greg on this matter, that the actual keeping of the feast days and seasons are no longer binding -- they were shadows -- prophetic guidelines of the plan of salvation. They ended when the veil in the sanctuary was ripped in two and temple services were no longer necessary.

However, those feasts and sanctuary rituals are a map of salvation's plan, and just like the earthly temple (which we no longer look to as having actual use here on earth) yet those rituals and feasts are important to study in order to understand the plan of salvation. If people want to set aside that time to reflect on their prophetic meaning there is nothing wrong with doing so.
That is the keeping Greg was referring to -- seeing the feasts in the light of their prophetic meaning, not a mandatory keeping of actual days.

Passover -- Christ is the Passover lamb slain once and for all.
Pentecost -- The outpouring of the Holy Spirit
Feast of Trumpets -- sounding the call that the hour of judgment is here
Day of Atonement -- the pre-advent judgment
Feast of Tabernacles -- the second coming when our earthly sojourn is ended.

That is the map -- we are near the end of earth's journey!

I like the map idea and the progression aspect too.

What they do is not quite right, for if they align with Jerusalem as to the day, they should align with it also as to the time. That's how the Millerites reasoned, and that's how, in 1844, Tishri 10 was mostly on the calendar date of Oct. 23 in Jerusalem, while the same period of time fell mostly on Oct. 22 in America owing to the difference in time zone.

No. We look to what day is where we live at. Otherwise, we would be doing something similar to the South Sea Islands, in saying there is an absolute place of day.

And either we look to Old Jerusalem or we don't. And if we look to it for what spring is, then we should also look to it as to when the sun sets. And I'm sure there very well could be some here who would promote such an idea, or think it's a good idea.



And along the same idea, there would exist certain times when if you didn't go by the time of Old Jerusalem, the year would begin at a different month other places.

It boils down to, do we look to Old Jerusalem or not. I believe Ellen White says not. Therefore, we don't base our days from Old Jerusalem, we don't base our years from Old Jerusalem, we don't base our seasons from Old Jerusalem, and we don't keep the feast days and other rites and ceremonies of Old Jerusalem.

Is there no harm? Or is this a case of harmless looking weeds gaining in strength until it damages the harvest?

Consider that many of them are promoting keeping the feasts as a salvational issue, that only those who keep them will be among the 144,000. They are giving the idea to come out of "babylon" and separate from the church. There are some who are promoting the sacred name movement and some who are trying to say that Adventists are wrong about when the Sabbath starts, that it really starts at sunrise and ends at noon (between the evenings). Is there something wrong with that?

One wonders if there's any connection between the Jewish feast promoters and those in certain South Sea Islands....

I agree.


I agree.

Old Jerusalem was not always the location where to keep the feasts or other rites. In the law, the specific place to keep the feasts is NOT specified -- for a very good reason. The Lord foreknew that this location would change through TIME. The law says to keep the feast wherever His name/glory will be.

AV Dt 16:16 Three times in a year shall all thy males appear before the LORD thy God in the place which he shall choose; in the feast of unleavened bread, and in the feast of weeks, and in the feast of tabernacles: and they shall not appear before the LORD empty:

AV Dt 16:2 Thou shalt therefore sacrifice the passover unto the LORD thy God, of the flock and the herd, in the place which the LORD shall choose to place his name there.

The place the Lord chose to place His Name/Glory changed location through TIME :

1. 40 years in the wilderness : His name/glory was manifested in the Sanctuary Tent depending on wherever the location they were encamping.

2. Shiloh : Reside there for about 400 years until it departed from there and never return back because of the corruption of the Priesthood (1Sam 4:21, Ps 78:59-69).

3. Jerusalem : Reside there for about 300 years until it departed from there and never return back because of the corruption of the Priesthood (Jer 7:11-14, Ez 10- 11)

4. Mt. Olives : Ezekiel saw the glory departing from the temple in Jerusalem and rested on the mountain on the east side of the city which is Mt. Olives.

Ez 10:18 “Then the glory of the LORD departed from off the threshold of the house, and stood over the cherubims…Ez 11:22 Then did the cherubims lift up their wings, and the wheels beside them; and the glory of the God of Israel [was] over them above. 23. And the glory of the LORD went up from the midst of the city, and stood upon the mountain which [is] on the east side of the city.

Here’s some interesting notes about Mount of Olives :

a) It is 2000 cubits from the city which is considered “outside the camp” and “a Sabbath day’s journey.”
b) It is said that this is where the ashes of the red heifer was stored(Num 19:3)
c) It is the place where David made his sacrifice(2 Sam 15:30) which b) & c) both pointed to Jesus sacrifice.
d) It is the place where Jesus often went to pray
e) Also the place He ascended in sight of his disciples 40 days after He died(Acts 1:12).

5. Forehead of Believers : Then from the Mt.Olives the next place that the glory of the Lord was seen and manifested was at the upper room at Pentecost and the people there received an deposit of the Spirit.

AV Re 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, [which is] new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name. .

Where to Keep the Feasts & rites TODAY?

So according to the last revelation and where His glory/name was last manifested – at #5 location.

So my understanding is the place to keep the feasts today is between our two ears.

So you are saying we are to determine the beginning of the year from between our two ears? Meaning each person has their own personalized start of year, widely different from the northern to southern hemisphere? For that was what was under discussion.