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Re: Is "Polygamy" a Sin?
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05/05/06 11:55 AM
05/05/06 11:55 AM
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We try so hard to make God in our own image.
Darius, do you not do that yourself? You frame your image of God based upon your beliefs about Him. You’ve said as much that observation is primarily how you derive your beliefs. You paint your image of Him according to your interpretation of events, perhaps modifying that image as new events suggest. Where the scriptures, or EGW, or whomever seems to differ with your perception of observable facts, you go with your perception. Is that about how it works?
Jeff
Any perception that does not model reality goes out the window. This, BTW, is why EGW stopped advancing the Shut Door theory. She simply admitted she was wrong on that score. Nothing bad about that. Hey, I hae been through all these perceptions and discarded them when I realized they were deficient. A lifetime of Christianity and Adventism plus training in Adventist ministry is qualification enough.
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Re: Is "Polygamy" a Sin?
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05/05/06 11:59 AM
05/05/06 11:59 AM
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That was my response to Jeff above.
Darius A. Lecointe, J.D., Ph.D.
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Re: Is "Polygamy" a Sin?
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05/05/06 10:07 PM
05/05/06 10:07 PM
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This then leads me to ask who is wrong here? EGW, The Bible, or you?
I would still like to know the answer to this.
Are you attempting to say EGW got this wrong?
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Re: Is "Polygamy" a Sin?
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05/05/06 10:13 PM
05/05/06 10:13 PM
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Are you attempting to say EGW got this wrong?
I don't understand the question when I have clearly stated the facts. I get the impression you believe that EGW was incapable of being wrong on matters relating to theology. That sounds awfully close to the RCC teaching on papal infallibility when speaking ex cathedra. Is that your view?
Darius A. Lecointe, J.D., Ph.D.
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Re: Is "Polygamy" a Sin?
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05/06/06 01:06 AM
05/06/06 01:06 AM
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I'll take you normal dodge to mean yes. Please feel free to discredit that assumption if it is wrong.
I believe that se was as infallible as the Apostle Paul, Moses, or Elijah when it cam to the inspiration of God. If the spirit that inspired Paul also inspired EGW, and Paul was not wrong, then it would only be logical to perceive that EGW was not wrong.
Last edited by Dave Hoover; 05/06/06 01:06 AM.
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Re: Is "Polygamy" a Sin?
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05/06/06 01:24 AM
05/06/06 01:24 AM
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Any perception that does not model reality goes out the window. This, BTW, is why EGW stopped advancing the Shut Door theory. She simply admitted she was wrong on that score. Nothing bad about that. Hey, I hae been through all these perceptions and discarded them when I realized they were deficient. A lifetime of Christianity and Adventism plus training in Adventist ministry is qualification enough.
But what do you do when you don’t know enough about reality to judge your perception? Reality is what is real on its own and regardless of our ability to perceive it or understand it. Perception is the mental model we abstract from reality. The more obvious reality is, the easier it is to perceive it accurately. The less obvious reality is, the more we have to fill in what we don’t know with more abstraction. Some might call that abstraction faith. I’m not sure what “real” evidence you find that convinces you that your perception of reality is any more accurate than Peter’s, or EGW’s. It takes a measure of faith to fill in that much.
Jeff
[i]...Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.</i]
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Re: Is "Polygamy" a Sin?
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05/06/06 03:43 AM
05/06/06 03:43 AM
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Hey Jeff, I like what you wrote about perception, abstraction, etc.
Just a small comment that faith should not be viewed as that which we don't understand. Faith has to do with trust, and trust is based on evidence and reason. That is, God wants us to trust Him because that is our reasonable service.
I might be being picky here, as I'm responding to the statement "we have to fill in what we don't know with more abstraction. Some might call that abstraction faith." This can give the impression that faith is based on what we don't know.
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: Is "Polygamy" a Sin?
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05/06/06 12:06 PM
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Hello Darius,
"This, BTW, is why EGW stopped advancing the Shut Door theory. She simply admitted she was wrong on that score."
Please provide the source or reference where EGW admitted she was wrong in advancing the Shut Door theory.
Thank you ,
Gordon
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Re: Is "Polygamy" a Sin?
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05/06/06 01:29 PM
05/06/06 01:29 PM
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That’s the point though Tom, we don’t have to put as much “trust” in things that are more concrete, but as things become more abstract, the more we have to trust that our perception is accurate, rather than knowing so. But I’m not saying that faith isn’t trust, but our faith isn’t completely based on what we’ve seen either, or it would be concrete knowledge. We still have to fill in with faith that which we haven’t seen.
For example, Thomas wasn’t exercising as much faith in the Lord’s resurrection when he touched His side as we must exercise in believing that story was real. We trust that these things were so. Thomas knew that these things were so...at least as the story goes.
Jeff
[i]...Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.</i]
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Re: Is "Polygamy" a Sin?
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05/06/06 05:06 PM
05/06/06 05:06 PM
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I'll take you normal dodge to mean yes. Please feel free to discredit that assumption if it is wrong.
I believe that se was as infallible as the Apostle Paul, Moses, or Elijah when it cam to the inspiration of God. If the spirit that inspired Paul also inspired EGW, and Paul was not wrong, then it would only be logical to perceive that EGW was not wrong.
Paul, Moses, Elijah were not infallible so I agree with you. She is as infallible as they were.
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