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Is God The Real Author Of The Bible (The Scriptures)?
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05/27/03 06:15 PM
05/27/03 06:15 PM
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Whereas this forum's focus is on evidence as it relates to the Bible, and whereas it seems to be that at least one person here is questioning the authorship of the Bible, (Correct me, if I am wrong in my assumption.), I felt it necessary to create this topic here for a discussion on this important question. Darius posted the following that has caused me to wonder how he looks at the Bible, whether the Bible is inspired, whether God is the author of the Bible, etc.: Christians spoiled it all with their insistence that the Bible is God's manual for life or that He commissioned it. Thinking people can note the misinformation that is in the Bible and that stance by Christians raised serious doubts about their religion.
What does the Bible say about who It's author is?Any insight from the SOP is also welcome and relevant here.
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Re: Is God The Real Author Of The Bible (The Scriptures)?
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05/27/03 06:24 PM
05/27/03 06:24 PM
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Seeing that the Bible is also referred to as the Word of God, and in response to Darius' question in the other topic, what existed first, the Word or nature?
When did the Word begin, and when did nature begin?
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Re: Is God The Real Author Of The Bible (The Scriptures)?
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05/27/03 08:29 PM
05/27/03 08:29 PM
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This is what the Bible says: quote:
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Why is the term the Word used here?
In other words, why does God refer to Himself as the Word?
Better yet, from this quote:
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Matthew 21:42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
What Scriptures is Christ referring to here?
Is He not referring to what we know today as the Old Testament portion of the Bible?
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Re: Is God The Real Author Of The Bible (The Scriptures)?
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05/27/03 10:16 PM
05/27/03 10:16 PM
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Daryl:
The useage of "Word" in the Hebrew culture goes back to Genesis and the creation story. There, "God spoke" and the power of that spoken word (of God) set into operation the Universe, and the creation of all life. In that context, the "Word" was of supreme power. The Hebrew people equated "Word" with the supreme power of God.
John begins his Gospel with that Creation story of God simply spekaing the world into existance. He then ties the power of that Word to God. John 1: 10--that Word is that which created. Then in vs. 14 John equates that Word with Jesus, the Christ, who exists in human flesh in their midst.
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Re: Is God The Real Author Of The Bible (The Scriptures)?
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05/28/03 12:44 PM
05/28/03 12:44 PM
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Yes, the spoken Word existed from the beginning, from the foundation of the world, even before the creation of this world within which the laws of nature were also created.
This is why I refer to this created nature as God's second unwritten book, as His spoken Word is the first unwritten book that eventually became a written book.
The written version of His spoken Word became necessary on account of the devolution of man as a result of man's fallen condition after the entrance of sin into this world, particularly after the Flood in which man soon lost much of his ability of total recall, his greatly decreased lifespan, etc.
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Re: Is God The Real Author Of The Bible (The Scriptures)?
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05/29/03 02:19 AM
05/29/03 02:19 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by Daryl Fawcett:
Yes, the spoken Word existed from the beginning, from the foundation of the world, even before the creation of this world within which the laws of nature were also created.
This is why I refer to this created nature as God's second unwritten book, as His spoken Word is the first unwritten book that eventually became a written book.
It is widely believed but there is not basis for the belief that the Bible is the written version of Jesus Christ. A written version of Jesus Christ was never necessary because the living Word is eternal. Books are a human requirement and though God will adapt to our inadequacies He prefers to speak to our hearts directly. Of course, the church would much prefer to deemphasize the direct link between man and his God for it gives it control over what men hear from God.
Protestants are no different from the Roman Catholic in coming between God and man.
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Re: Is God The Real Author Of The Bible (The Scriptures)?
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05/28/03 06:16 PM
05/28/03 06:16 PM
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Darius, I am trying to figure out what you are saying and where you are coming from in all your posts that seems to be reducing the Bible to a book like any other book, rather than the God inspired Bible book I understand it to be. I understand the Bible to consist of both the Old Testament Scriptures and the New Testament Scriptures. What did Christ say about the Bible? quote:
Matthew 21:42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
Matthew 22:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
Matthew 26:54 But how then shall the scriptures be fulfilled, that thus it must be?
Matthew 26:56 But all this was done, that the scriptures of the prophets might be fulfilled. Then all the disciples forsook him, and fled.
Mark 12:10 And have ye not read this scripture; The stone which the builders rejected is become the head of the corner:
Mark 14:49 I was daily with you in the temple teaching, and ye took me not: but the scriptures must be fulfilled.
Mark 15:28 And the scripture was fulfilled, which saith, And he was numbered with the transgressors
Luke 4:17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,
18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.
21 And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.
And here is the quote that settles it for me in relation to the Old Testament portion of the Bible:
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Luke 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.
In light of the above quote, what more do we need to quote?
It is very clear to me that Christ, the Son of God, pointed to the Scriptures throughout His ministry on this Earth.
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John 2:22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.
They believed the Scripture, and "the word which Jesus had said."
If they believed the Scriptures, then I also believe the Scriptures as God's inspired written Word for us as it was for them.
In fact, we are even told in John 5:39 to "Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
And it also says in John 10:35 "If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
The Scripture can NOT be broken.
Here is an important quote that covers all the Holy Scriptures of God, both the Old Testament and the New Testament Xcriptures:
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2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
It says that ALL the Scriptures are inspired by God. In other words, the Holy Bible, containing both the Old Testament and New Testament Scriptures are ALL inspired by God.
And here is what I would refer to as the clincher:
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2 Peter 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
This shows that the Bible was not written according to the will of man but as they were moved or inspired by the Holy Spirit.
In light of this evidence, how dare we reduce God's Holy Word to the level of any other written book.
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Re: Is God The Real Author Of The Bible (The Scriptures)?
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05/28/03 06:49 PM
05/28/03 06:49 PM
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This is only to let you all know that I edited the above post of mine a few times since I originally posted it here.
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Re: Is God The Real Author Of The Bible (The Scriptures)?
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04/05/05 02:39 AM
04/05/05 02:39 AM
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I recently read an artical that claimed 1 Timothy, Titus, and a portion of 1 Corinthians were forged after Paul's death, and theirfore, not autherd by God guiding Paul. This would seem to be an alarming statment. Does anyone have any info on this teaching or even think it has merit?
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Re: Is God The Real Author Of The Bible (The Scriptures)?
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04/25/05 04:34 PM
04/25/05 04:34 PM
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Where did you read this Dave? Also wouldn't the available manuscripts be able to confirm that it is not a forgery?
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