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Re: Is God The Real Author Of The Bible (The Scriptures)?
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10/04/06 03:46 PM
10/04/06 03:46 PM
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He does through our senses. Everytime you interact with the world you are getting messages from the one who created it.
Darius A. Lecointe, J.D., Ph.D.
No weapon formed against me shall prosper.
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Re: Is God The Real Author Of The Bible (The Scriptures)?
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10/04/06 05:23 PM
10/04/06 05:23 PM
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Does God speak to us through His Spirit? That is, supernaturally?
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: Is God The Real Author Of The Bible (The Scriptures)?
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10/05/06 12:10 PM
10/05/06 12:10 PM
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It is as obvious as the nose on my face that the Creator did not write the Bible nor did He ask anyone to do so.
The Creator obviously didn't write the Bible Himself, however, the Creator DID INSPIRE the various authors of the Bible to write what they have written through thought inspiration.
You said in a later post that the Creator communicated with us through their senses. Can you expand on this and also answer Tom's question?
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Re: Is God The Real Author Of The Bible (The Scriptures)?
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10/06/06 02:02 PM
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If God spoke to you supernaturally you would not know it because you are only able to perceive through your senses. There is only one way to get to you. Thought inspiration is something we made up to try to make our beliefs make sense but it defies all logic. Inspiration is nothing special; it is the way that all knowledge is know to all men. The text that says all scripture is given by inspiration has been over-interpreted. The text does not say that ONLY scripture is given by inspiration, even though that is what theologians would want us to believe. I'll tell you why, though. Theologians have suggested that everything that is based on sensory data can be questioned but whatever comes through revelation cannot be. It's a set up. There is no such distinction to be made. All knowledge comes through the senses. Without your senses you would not know anything. And the knowledge you get through your senses can be questioned because we don't always correctly grasp what we sense. Theologians want us to believe that those who hear from God don't make mistakes, even though there is lots of evidence against that view. We have told those lies so often that we have begun to assume they are true. Now, we are too scared to back away.
Darius A. Lecointe, J.D., Ph.D.
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Re: Is God The Real Author Of The Bible (The Scriptures)?
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10/06/06 02:09 PM
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How do you know that God speaks to us through our senses?
Did God give you a special revelation about this through your senses? If so through which one of your senses did God give you such special revelation? I assume it wasn't through your sense of smell.
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Re: Is God The Real Author Of The Bible (The Scriptures)?
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10/06/06 03:21 PM
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If God spoke to you supernaturally you would not know it because you are only able to perceive through your senses.
This sounds like your answer to my question is "no." That is, you do not believe that God speaks to men supernaturally through His Spirit. That God only communicates to us through nature would seem to be the logical counterpoint to this. So let me ask that as a follow up question. Do you believe God only speaks to us through nature? (or though other human beings to whom God spoke through nature; God's speaking through nature would be the beginning of any communication from God is the point I'm getting at).
Just to be clear, by "speaking through nature" I mean that we perceive things about God through our senses by observation His creation.
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: Is God The Real Author Of The Bible (The Scriptures)?
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10/06/06 04:09 PM
10/06/06 04:09 PM
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How do you know that God speaks to us through our senses?
Did God give you a special revelation about this through your senses? If so through which one of your senses did God give you such special revelation? I assume it wasn't through your sense of smell.
Daryl, you amaze me. Did you question EGW's recommendation that we guard well the avenues to the soul because this is how God communicates with us? I am assuming that you are acquainted with the statement.
Darius A. Lecointe, J.D., Ph.D.
No weapon formed against me shall prosper.
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Re: Is God The Real Author Of The Bible (The Scriptures)?
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10/06/06 04:11 PM
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Tom, where do you think the concept of the supernatural comes from? Did God tell you that it is a concept of any value? Did you even find it in the Bible?
Let me put it to you this way. Everything is natural. There is no such thing as the supernatural. God is as natural as His creation.
If you claim that God had you over for coffee and spoke to you directly I have no quarrels with that. I would only hope that you were able to verify that it was God.
I think you should consider why God chose to reveal Himself to us by coming as a man.
Darius
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Re: Is God The Real Author Of The Bible (The Scriptures)?
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10/06/06 04:53 PM
10/06/06 04:53 PM
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How do you know that God speaks to us through our senses?
Did God give you a special revelation about this through your senses? If so through which one of your senses did God give you such special revelation? I assume it wasn't through your sense of smell.
Daryl, you amaze me. Did you question EGW's recommendation that we guard well the avenues to the soul because this is how God communicates with us? I am assuming that you are acquainted with the statement.
Yes, I am well aware of that EGW statement. The avenue to the soul is our mind, where God communicates with us, as He did to the authors of the Bible.
This week's Sabbath School study is on the veracity of the Bible. Here is a quote from that study:
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Of course, the enemy of souls works hard to turn the world away from the true God. One of his methods is to put doubt in our minds regarding the veracity of the Bible. Genesis itself comes under fierce attack. If he can undermine our faith in it, which is so foundational, how easy for him to undermine our faith in everything else.
Darius, it is obvious to me that you are being inspired to post what you post by the enemy of souls, therefore, your time at MSDAOL has just about come to an end as far as posting here goes.
Again, from this week's study comes another quote:
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Are we going to listen to the critics who come up with all sorts of "evidence" to question the historical veracity of Genesis, or do we follow the lead of those like Jesus and Paul and Peter, who showed unquestioned faith in the book? Indeed, to question the veracity of Genesis means to question the veracity of the New Testament, which time and again refers to Genesis. How reliable could the New Testament be if it were all wrong about Genesis? As we can see, once we start questioning the historical veracity of the Genesis account, the whole edifice of faith crumbles. Which, of course, is exactly what Satan wants.
Again, Darius, whether intentional or not, you are playing into the hands of the devil.
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Re: Is God The Real Author Of The Bible (The Scriptures)?
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10/06/06 04:59 PM
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Daryl, since you take your direction from the writers of the SS Quarterly I would consider it close to an honor for it to be your judgement that my ideas don't fit with yours.
Darius A. Lecointe, J.D., Ph.D.
No weapon formed against me shall prosper.
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