Hebrews 11 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. 2 For by it the elders obtained a good testimony.

3 By faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that the things which are seen were not made of things which are visible.

Until the 20th Century it was completely by faith, but tangible scientific evidence has since been found, which is important in the teaching of creation in light of all the false scientific teaching of evolution out there in the schools and universities.

You are making a challenging statement, Daryl. If the 20th Century has changed the basis of our faith, how does that effect our relationship with our Creator?

Is it any easier winning souls for Christ in the Western World now than before, since we have more "tangible evidence" than Scripture?

Should a minister today have more education in science than in the Bible in order to do the required work in relationship with people?

Pistis - - Faith, Trust, Belief. When we have more evidence, does that mean we have less faith? On the contrary. We have more faith!!! Without evidence, we can have no faith, no trust, no belief.

God never asks us to believe, without giving sufficient evidence upon which to base our faith. His existence, His character, the truthfulness of His word, are all established by testimony that appeals to our reason; and this testimony is abundant. Yet God has never removed the possibility of doubt. Our faith must rest upon evidence, not demonstration. Those who wish to doubt will have opportunity; while those who really desire to know the truth will find plenty of evidence on which to rest their faith. {SC 105.2}


- Original: πίστις
- Transliteration: Pistis
- Phonetic: pis'-tis


- Strong's: From [url=tw://[self]?G3982]G3982[/url]; persuasion that is credence; moral conviction (of religious truth or the truthfulness of God or a religious teacher) especially reliance upon christ for salvation; abstractly constancy in such profession; by extension the system of religious (Gospel) truth itself: - assurance belief believe faith fidelity.

Faith
[Heb. 'emu ̂n; 'emûnah; Gr. pistis.]

1. A confidence of heart and mind in God and His ways that leads one to act in accordance with His sovereign will (2 Corinthians 5:7; Hebrews 11:8). This faith is not based upon a blind, unintelligent acquiescence, but upon a supreme trust in the ability and integrity of God (Deuteronomy 7:9; 1 Kings 8:56; 1 Corinthians 1:9; Hebrews 10:23; 2 Timothy 1:12; etc.). Such a faith is a prerequisite for any approach to Deity (Hebrews 11:6). It is by means of faith in Christ that one is justified (Romans 3:28; Romans 5:1; Galatians 2:16; Galatians 3:8; Galatians 3:25; etc.). Christ's righteousness becomes ours through faith in Him (Philippians 3:9). The believer's faith in God enables the Lord to do miraculous things for him and through him (Matthew 9:21-22; James 5:14-15; etc.). True faith cannot be passive, but manifests itself in works of righteousness (Galatians 5:6; James 2:17-18; James 2:20-21; James 2:26; etc.). Paul emphatically denied that faith abolished the law (Romans 3:31) or one's obligations to the law (Romans 6:1); rather it placed one in a position where, through Christ, the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in him (Romans 8:1-4).

2. That which is believed; the system of Christian doctrines. Because of the power and conviction that accompanied the preaching of the gospel by the apostles “a great company of the priests were obedient to the faith” (Acts 6:7). The sorcerer Elymas endeavored to prejudice Sergius Paulus, the deputy of Cyprus, against “the faith” (Acts 13:6-7). Paul exhorted his converts “to continue in the faith” (Acts 14:22). See also Philippians 1:27; James 2:1; Jude 1:3.

3. Faithfulness, fidelity. This is the meaning particularly of the Heb. ́emûnah, rendered “faith” in Habakkuk 2:4. Where Paul quotes this text in Romans 1:17 he may be giving to faith the more extended meaning of NT faith. Pistis does, however, have the meaning “faithfulness” in Romans 3:3; Titus 2:10; Galatians 5:22 and doubtless in other texts to a greater or lesser degree.

I didn't say anything about the basis of our faith being changed from the Bible to Science, however, I think it is a plus when what the Bible says can be proven by Science, as is now in the case of Dr. Robert Gentry at http://www.halos.com

Yes. Yes, most definitely.

True. But does that require God does not nor cannot use pre-existing matter? But more relevantly, does this say anything about whether He did or did not use pre-existing matter at creation?

No, of course not. Facts and evidence does not change one's mind. Many evolutionists can look right at contradictory evidence and not bat an eye. Same goes through those looking at the Bible or Ellen White's comments which contradict their opinion.

One minor disagreement here. While the "layers" would necessarily be of young age, one way they could measure the layers is that of which they are made up of. The broken up fragments could indicate a long age. Imagine a radiohalo within a fragment in the sedimentary layers. Or the age of the soil, sand, etc.

You showed God's definition of Earth. What is His definition of Heaven?

Ro 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Evidence of Creation through the granite rocks substantiates the Bible.

Evidence of the Flood also substantiates the Bible.

Prophecy fulfilled also substantiates the Bible.

Archaeology (spelled correctly?) also substantiates the Bible.

Did you ever see the presentation titled, "Dead Men Do Tell Tales"?