Thomas,
Daniel ate meat. Cheri doesn't believe it cause Ellen White said he didn't, it is a contradiction.
I believe that he did, and I am not convinced that he did not eat meat,wen the Bible says clearly in black and white that he fasted from pleasant bread, flesh meat and wine for 3 weeks.
God Bless,
Will

Hi Thomas,
I can't consume honey and when I do it's sparingly e.g. 1 every couple of months. We get it from a beekeeper so we get a large amount, like a pail\pale (forgot the spelling) for $25.00 and I have to make sure my diet is basically gluten free, so I opt for brown rice syrup as a substitute. I have allergies which is why I have to do a a lot of things things differently.
I was questioned as to why a plant based diet is expensive when all you need is a bowl of lentils, and I broke down my own experience. Its pricey.
God Bless,
Will

Yes, I can see that being allergic to gluten (and maybe other vegetabile substances) would make being a vegetarian much more difficult and expensive. It is a little better for those who are not allergic to foodstuff.

Then again, you dont have to make lentil loaf out of them lentils, they make some excellent soup aswell.

Thomas

Greetings Will,

Regarding your comment:With all due respect Brother Will, I do not recall stating such that I believe it because of Mrs. White.Let us consider this verse yet again:

• "I ate no pleasant bread, neither came flesh nor wine in my mouth, neither did I anoint myself at all, till three whole weeks were fulfilled." Daniel 10:3

Here are some possibilities in which we can consider with our human reasoning powers:

1. That he is simply saying that he did not eat anything, including flesh meat.
2. That was he eating was flesh meat but he stopped for the fast.
3. That because the record was shown he remained faithful until the first year of Cyrus that he would again record history as not taking from things which he had original found unacceptable.
4. That he was simply saying that he did not annoint his head until three weeks passed. As annointing was an outward sign to the Jews of fasting. (Which is in total character for this humble man.)

Regardles how we humanly decide to make our opinion, we must remember that we are not to lean on our own opinion. This is why we are taught to be so desirous to pray for the guidance of the Holy Spirit that we might have His education and wisdom rather than ours.

Truly Will, I do not implore you to believe as I. No one ever need to believe as I do. But I do encourage and plead that any one considering anything must go and to ask the for the Holy Spirit. And so that you understand, I do not suggest at all that you have not prayed and studied and ask for the Holy Spirit.

But my heart does become sad because my faith seems to cause you so much pain and I am sorry that I do seem to grieve you.

With thankfulness that I was able to share,
Your Sister in Christ Jesus,
Cheri

I eat lentil soup or actually lentils and brown rice with garlic (roast them first so you don't smell so badly hehe), 3 bean salad with vegetables in it, lots of beans\legumes really.
We have to be inventive, but eating lentils alone doesn't cut it, and have learned lots about eating properly, which goes in hand with our diet. Things such as removing processed foods which includes sugars and breads.
So theres quite a bit involved, and we both work, and both have activities after work, and we get home rather late during the week between 9-10:30pm Monday-Thursday.
God Bless,
Will

Cheri,
Your faith does not cause me pain or grief. I am going by what the Bible says, and it says he refrained from eating meat, bread, drinking wine, and putting oil on his head for 3 weeks. He stopped doing those things for a 3 week period. Its a done deal for me, for you it may be different, perhaps it is a sin for you. It's not for me.
God Bless,
Will

Will,

Would rye bread be out of question with your gluten allergy? If not, thats some good eating.

I can try and eat some, but I have a certain condition thingy that is embarrassing to say the least, which is why I had to go on this particular diet of eliminating all sugars, and breads, oils and all sorts of stuff.
On the positive side, my health has improved tremendously! I am not anorexic looking with rib cages showing and stuff, so its not one of those types of diets, I have meat on my bones, and good endurance and stamina, but I don't eat like everyone else does.
There are food items I buy to mimic a typical italian dish, such as black soybean pasta at 23 grams of protein per serving, topped with tomatoes, olives, and garlic. Add some almond milk to it, or 2 glasses of soy milk fortified with vitamins, and my body gets the nourishment it needs.
However, I do like to indulge every once in a while, so I think I may pick up some rye bread and make a tasty sandwich with it :-)
I remember I use to love tuna and rye, what a combo!
There are things like yeast I can't consume, and bread is made with yeast, at least a majority of it, but I am not sure if my body has built up a tolerance to it as I have not "tested" it out lately.
I'll check out the local bread shop and pick up a loaf of rye this week, and eat some to see how I react.
Thanks for that suggestion Thomas
God Bless,
Will

Thanks Will,

I was thinking that it could be the book by Walton. I read it some years ago. I think I must have it boxed up. My husband is after me to reduce the amount my books. One of my projects this spring it to go through my books and get rid of some.

People would get bored eating meat loaf for a month too.

I think everyones vegetarian experience is different; and the cost depends on where they live and how and where they shop; as well as what kind of foods do they prefer, their social economic life style, culinary skills, etc. . .

I tend to be fairly thrifty. I buy my grains, legumes, nuts and seeds in the bulk bin section. I also go to the store that has the best price on these items.

Prices have really increased this winter. Yellow onions at last years price were 4 lb. for $1.00, this year they are nearly $1.00 a lb. Wonder what's up with onions? I'm going to have to plant some this year.

I like scottish oats too. Bought some yesterday as well as cashew and walnuts from the bulk bin. The oats wt. .81 lb. and cost me 36 cents, the cashews wt. .58 lb. and cost me $1.76, the walnuts wt. .49 lb. and cost me $1.85. (in recipes that call for walnuts, I often use half sunflower seeds, which reduces the cost and adds some zinc.)

For my romaine I usually go to a store who's clientele tends to be the restaurant trade and purchase a bag of 6 heart of romaine for $2.99. I also get my lemons, tofu and rice noodles there for a much better price.

Mostly for my fruit and vegetables I try and buy in season. I purchase local grown when possible. I do try and grow my own when I can. We have planted an orchard but have found that some years will hardly produce. We do "put some food by", can, freeze, and dry. We do prefer to eat fresh and in season. We grow our own blueberries and freeze a lot of them. Made some sugar free blueberry jam this year and sweetened it with white grape juice concentrate. We also experimented with drying blueberries and liked the results.

We love plums and have a lot of varieties. Some years they don't all produce. Love tree ripened and eating right from the tree. Never buy the tasteless supermarket varieties. Cherry crop really varies from year to year. We grow apples and pears but the crop also varies from year to year. We enjoy making juice from the apples in our champion juicer. We use several varieties to make the juice and I just strain it. The strain pulp, I cook up for applesauce and just add some apple juice concentrate to sweeten. Also a few grapes and raspberries that we just eat fresh from the vine. Don't seem to have enough to "put by".

Paid 67 cents a gallon for my water yesterday. I guess if I wanted to fill jugs from a machine, I could get it for 30 cents a gal. or less.

I tend to prefer fruit juice concentrate for sweetener. For somethings maple syrup.
I have used brown rice syrup some, but not my preferred choice. Also have some honey and agave in my cupboard.

My budget doesn't allow to buy much organic. But I check out the organic section of my market. Sometimes they have some organic for the same or close to price of regular and then I do buy it.

I don't buy the out of season exported fruits as I don't know the conditions in which they were grown under. I wait for melon season to purchase them.

My spouse and I had never really cared for cows milk to drink, so drinking milk isn't something we do. So haven't felt a need to replace it with a substitute. Soy milk powder I have found good to use either dry to replace "powdered milk" in a recipe or to mix with water to replace milk in a recipe. I don't buy the type of flavored and sweeten found at ABC but have found a plain type for under $2.00 a pound the last time I purchased. For drinking, "millet milk" is really good in my opinion and is inexpensive to make. If you would like a recipe let me know.

We all need to include a certain amount of grains, fruits, and vegetables in our diet whether we are vegetarian of not. The main diet difference that I see would be the protein source; animal flesh vs. plant protein. I think one can get a good variety of plant based protein, pay much less for it and not get bored.

Hi Will,

You have come up with some interesting stuff, that I appreciate knowing about. e.g. Daniel 10: 2.3. This has made an interesting discussion and search of scripture and SOP for answers.

I have to say, on somethings, don’t you think you are doing a bit of “spinning”?

For example a little dialog we had, I never said, "all you need is a bowl of lentils". Perhaps you were referring to something someone else said. If that be the case I apologize.







Isn’t it your own personal allergies that have added to expense of "your vegetarian diet"? At the onset of our dialog, you failed to mention "I have allergies which is why I have to do a a lot of things things differently." With your "gluten allergies", you would still have the added expense of obtaining gluten free products if you wished to eat "breads" and "pasta" products, even if you were to eat a flesh based diet.

Would you not be buying your water and produce even if eating a flesh based diet?