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No temptation too difficult to resist -- Is it true? #92284
10/19/07 02:46 PM
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God promises He will not let allow us to be tempted above His ability to empower us to recognize and resist it unto His honor and glory. This means there is no excuse for sinning, right?

1 Corinthians
10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God [is] faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear [it].

Re: No temptation too difficult to resist -- Is it true? [Re: Mountain Man] #92289
10/19/07 05:23 PM
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The logical conclusion, based on the argument you have presented to this point, is that there is no excuse for sinning where overcoming temptation is involved.


Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
Re: No temptation too difficult to resist -- Is it true? [Re: Tom] #92308
10/20/07 01:57 AM
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If the question and comment were rephrased, would you answer differently? Is there another way of understanding 1 Cor 10:13?

Re: No temptation too difficult to resist -- Is it true? [Re: Mountain Man] #92319
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Yes. Again, you're not being consistent between your conclusion and the text. That is, you're conclusion is not in the same scope.

The text says that there's no excuse for not overcoming temptation. It doesn't say that three's no excuse for sinning.

This isn't to say that your conclusion is wrong, just that it doesn't follow logically from the text.

To make you're conclusion, you'd have to show that it's only possible to sin if one is tempted, or that there's no excuse for other types of sinning.


Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
Re: No temptation too difficult to resist -- Is it true? [Re: Tom] #92331
10/21/07 05:06 PM
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1 Corinthians 10:13
There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God [is] faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear [it].

1. There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man:

MM: We are tempted in all the ways common to mankind. No common temptation is excluded.

2. But God [is] faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able;

MM: When we are tempted in a way common to mankind, God will not allow it to exceed our ability in Christ to recognize and resist it unto His honor and glory. No common temptation is excluded.

3. But will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear [it].

MM: When God allows us to be tempted in a way common to mankind, He will empower us to recognize and resist it unto His honor and glory. Again, no common temptation is excluded.

TE: The text says that there's no excuse for not overcoming temptation. It doesn't say that three's no excuse for sinning.

MM: The text simply says God will not allow us to be tempted above His ability to empower us to resist it.

TE: To make you're conclusion, you'd have to show that it's only possible to sin if one is tempted ...

MM: Again, this promise is talking about what God does, namely, He does not allow us to be tempted above His ability to empower us to resist it. It is referring to known sins. Therefore, it cannot be talking about sins of ignorance.

TE: ... or that there's no excuse for other types of sinning.

MM: This promise is specifically talking about God not allowing us to be tempted above His ability to empower us to resist it. It cannot, therefore, be talking about sins of ignorance.

Re: No temptation too difficult to resist -- Is it true? [Re: Mountain Man] #92336
10/22/07 02:38 AM
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 Quote:
TE: To make you're conclusion, you'd have to show that it's only possible to sin if one is tempted ...

MM: Again, this promise is talking about what God does, namely, He does not allow us to be tempted above His ability to empower us to resist it. It is referring to known sins. Therefore, it cannot be talking about sins of ignorance.

TE: ... or that there's no excuse for other types of sinning.

MM: This promise is specifically talking about God not allowing us to be tempted above His ability to empower us to resist it. It cannot, therefore, be talking about sins of ignorance.


Which is exactly why you are in error. Your original post asked: "God promises He will not let allow us to be tempted above His ability to empower us to recognize and resist it unto His honor and glory. This means there is no excuse for sinning, right?
"

The answer is "no," for the reason you yourself are pointing out here, which is that 1 Cor. 10 is not dealing with sins of ignorance. Actually, the reason your reasoning is invalid is exactly what I pointed out, which is that what 1 Cor. 10 points out is that there is not excuse for succumbing to temptation, not that there is no excuse for sinning. As I pointed out, you would have to show, in order to conclude that this text means there is no excuse for sinning, that one can only sin if one is tempted.


Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
Re: No temptation too difficult to resist -- Is it true? [Re: Tom] #92342
10/22/07 01:58 PM
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Tom, are you suggesting God does not regulate temptations related to sins of ignorance like He does with known sins? In other words, does the promise in 1 Cor 10:13 force us to conclude God does not temper how we are tempted in areas we do not know involves sinning? For example, if I am tempted to be impatient with my wife, in an unfamiliar area of life, does God leave it up to Satan to decide how much to tempt me? so that my sin is excusable?

Re: No temptation too difficult to resist -- Is it true? [Re: Mountain Man] #92359
10/24/07 12:17 AM
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 Originally Posted By: Mountain Man
God promises He will not let allow us to be tempted above His ability to empower us to recognize and resist it unto His honor and glory. This means there is no excuse for sinning, right?

1 Corinthians
10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God [is] faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear [it].


Though what you say may be true, it is not what the verse is saying. What I see is:
  • God will not allow temptations beyond what ye are able to bear.
  • The limiting factor is not God's ability to empower, but our ability to bear.
  • God promises a way of escape (to avoid or maybe mitigate the temptation)
  • God lightens the load enough so we can bear it


By God's grace,
Arnold

1 John 5:11-13
And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.
Re: No temptation too difficult to resist -- Is it true? [Re: asygo] #92360
10/24/07 12:22 AM
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Re: the subject No temptation too difficult to resist -- Is it true?

I don't think that's true. There are temptations too difficult to resist. But 1Cor 10:13 promises that God won't let us have those.


By God's grace,
Arnold

1 John 5:11-13
And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.
Re: No temptation too difficult to resist -- Is it true? [Re: asygo] #92361
10/24/07 02:06 AM
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 Originally Posted By: asygo
Though what you say may be true, it is not what the verse is saying. What I see is:
  • God will not allow temptations beyond what ye are able to bear.
  • The limiting factor is not God's ability to empower, but our ability to bear.
  • God promises a way of escape (to avoid or maybe mitigate the temptation)
  • God lightens the load enough so we can bear it

Arnold, in what way are our posts different?

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