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Re: What does it mean - The wrath and vengeance of "an offfended God"?
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Well, you could not possibly teach that the law is what we will perfectly abide by in order to stand flawless before God and at the same time say that the law shows us our own inadequacy to stand flawless before God.
Galatians 2
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
It is so hazardous to take here a little and there a little. If you put the right little's together you can make the bible teach anything you wish. //Graham Maxwell
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Re: What does it mean - The wrath and vengeance of "an offfended God"?
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Tom, we cannot take what Sister White said about Jesus in the NT in the quote you posted and ignore everything else she said about Christ in the OT. They all say the same thing. Christ in the OT and Jesus in the NT are one and the same Being. In the NT Jesus Christ upheld the law of Moses, including the ones that require the death penalty. He did not set it aside.
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Re: What does it mean - The wrath and vengeance of "an offfended God"?
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Tom, we cannot take what Sister White said about Jesus in the NT in the quote you posted and ignore everything else she said about Christ in the OT. Why not *believe* what she said in the NT quote, and then *apply* that to the OT statements? They all say the same thing. Christ in the OT and Jesus in the NT are one and the same Being. In the NT Jesus Christ upheld the law of Moses, including the ones that require the death penalty. He did not set it aside. Christ's setting aside the law of Moses is not an issue. Understand God's character is the issue. How do we do so? According to EGW, all that we need to know or can know about God was revealed in the life and character of His Son. Therefore, if we desire to learn about God, it makes sense to study Christ. In fact, this is exactly what she suggests we do: It would be well for us to spend a thoughtful hour each day in contemplation of the life of Christ. We should take it point by point, and let the imagination grasp each scene, especially the closing ones. (DA 83)
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Re: What does it mean - The wrath and vengeance of "an offfended God"?
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TE: Why not *believe* what she said in the NT quote, and then *apply* that to the OT statements?
MM: Again, you are assuming her thoughts require us to read the law of Moses to mean something different than what it obviously means. When Christ commanded Moses to kill sinners, we learn something about God.
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Re: What does it mean - The wrath and vengeance of "an offfended God"?
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MM: Again, you are assuming her thoughts require us to read the law of Moses to mean something different than what it obviously means. I'm not assuming anything one way or the other. I'm suggesting we apply a methodology, which is to believe what EGW said, that *all* that we can know about God was revealed in the life and character of His Son, and apply that to our understanding of the Old Testament. When Christ commanded Moses to kill sinners, we learn something about God. Since all that we can know about God was revealed in the life and character of His Son during His ministry with us here on earth, where do you see that happening in Christ's ministry? What is it that you think you are learning about God? What is it that you think Jesus Christ was trying to teach us about God? In what ways do you see that Jesus Christ during His ministry on earth and the God of the Old Testament are similar?
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: What does it mean - The wrath and vengeance of "an offfended God"?
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Don't want to interfere with this topic, however, I haven't seen Mountain Man on here since he last posted here, therefore, I am wondering if anybody here knows whether he might be away somewhere for a few weeks?
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Re: What does it mean - The wrath and vengeance of "an offfended God"?
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I assume so, since he hasn't been posting, but I don't know anything.
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Re: What does it mean - The wrath and vengeance of "an offfended God"?
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I sent Tom a PM about my absence, but I should have posted it here.
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Re: What does it mean - The wrath and vengeance of "an offfended God"?
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My bad. MM went on a trip. He'll post when he can.
Those who wait for the Bridegroom's coming are to say to the people, "Behold your God." The last rays of merciful light, the last message of mercy to be given to the world, is a revelation of His character of love.
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Re: What does it mean - The wrath and vengeance of "an offfended God"?
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Tom, while away I was listening to the Bible on MP3, and the story of David and Uriah touches on something I'd like to discuss. If Sister White's comment (all that we can know about God ...) means Jesus destroys sinners by withdrawing His protection and allowing evil angels to kill them, what about the story of David and Uriah?
David ordered Joab to send Uriah into battle and then withdraw the troops leaving Uriah exposed to danger and death. Nathan accused David of killing Uriah with the sword of the Ammonites.
1. How is this different than what you've been saying about Jesus killing sinners?
2. Also, when did Jesus, while here, withdraw His protection and permit others to kill sinners?
2 Samuel
12:9 Wherefore hast thou despised the commandment of the LORD, to do evil in his sight? thou hast killed Uriah the Hittite with the sword, and hast taken his wife [to be] thy wife, and hast slain him with the sword of the children of Ammon.
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